Another new Brexit thread

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Jim Fitzpatrick saying that he has been made aware that Labour MP's backing the deal wont be punished by the party.
 
Ric said:
You say it’s off the table, but did you see John Barron’s interview earlier today? Not surprised why some MPs have serious reservations.
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The default is we leave 31/10 with or without a deal and the eu May decline an extension if requested if they do we are out no deal.

Why take that chance , what on earth is the problem with the deal, given MPs were rightly seeking to avoid no deal they have their wish.

Also given 95% of it is mays deal they don’t really need to read that much do they as they will have read mays deal and be familiar with it ( of course they won’t have read it );
 
Ric said:
Apart from the erosion of workers rights, the fact that we’ll all be considerably worse off financially as a result of it, and the possible break up of the United Kingdom as we know it? ;)
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The end of this thread?
 
Vic said:
There's plenty of research on the attitudes of Brexit supporters to other social issues. Let's just say they tend not to be "progressive".
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Exactly the type of non helpful post that only ever ends one way.
 
Ric said:
Apart from the erosion of workers rights, the fact that we’ll all be considerably worse off financially as a result of it, and the possible break up of the United Kingdom as we know it? ;)
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We had a referendum do you remember ?

This is the compromise position leaving with a deal

Leaving without a deal ; or

Revoking

Does not solve the division in the country. It’s time to be pragmatic.
 
Just watched Laura Kuenssberg apparently ‘grill’ Boris Johnson, well that’s how the BBC describe it. Sous vide more like. God give us someone like Brian Walden.
 
blueinsa said:
yeah i really dont have that much of an issue with it and i can actually see that Labour MP's could end up supporting the agreement if they are assured that no deal is finally off the table.

It has to be very time limited though and not an excuse for further amendments designed to just frustrate and i dont think the EU would allow time for that either.
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No deal is not off the table it's the default position in 14 months time.
"Assurances", do me a favour mate, would you believe assurances from Bojo ( or from any Tory for that matter)?
Remember the " assurances" from Mavis and then Bojo on the Irish sea border that would never be allowed to happen?
Drift my get you?
 
kevin horlocks wand said:
We had a referendum do you remember ?

This is the compromise position leaving with a deal

Leaving without a deal ; or

Revoking

Does not solve the division in the country. It’s time to be pragmatic.
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I think we’re straying from the original point a bit here though. You asked why the Letwin amendment was necessary as you felt no deal had been taken off the table, but clearly a number of MPs are concerned that it hasn’t in the long term. Perhaps understandably in the light of some comments today.

I do think that such a monumentally important piece of legislation can’t be rushed through in a few hours tomorrow. It must be properly scrutinised and discussed in Parliament, even if that means a short extension.
 
blueinsa said:
Not without parliaments consent they couldn't.
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A good reason not to have a GE then.

If we do leave we can then have a government of national unity where the bedroom tax is abolished, the railways are nationalised (halfway there already), the NHS is not sold off, and Corbyn and Johnson can bid each other up on the minimum wage, and we can negotiate to join EFTA cos Johnson never wanted to leave anyway.
 
Ric said:
I think we’re straying from the original point a bit here though. You asked why the Letwin amendment was necessary as you felt no deal had been taken off the table, but clearly a number of MPs are concerned that it hasn’t in the long term. Perhaps understandably in the light of some comments today.

I do think that such a monumentally important piece of legislation can’t be rushed through in a few hours tomorrow. It must be properly scrutinised and discussed in Parliament, even if that means a short extension.
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I don’t mind a short extension to read it if they can’t tonight (?) but we have had 5 years of this and we have to move on.its time for pragmatism

The discussion tomorrow will be

I respect the referendum but [ I don’t really]

You will not drag Scotland out of the eu against its will

People’s referendum

The same thing as has been said for the last 3 and half years since the vote.
 
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