Another new Brexit thread

[Vic]

Can you explain why, the leave campaign spent so much time lying to people about doing deals & Farage saying ''Norway' etc etc etc, if it wasn't to persuade them to vote for exactly that: a deal ?

Why didn't they just say we will leave, immediately, without one, if that's what it meant & that's what people wanted ?

Because they were lying so as to win the vote. At least they're either lying now about how much they stressed No Deal was possible then, or they were lying then.

 

[Neville Kneville]

I don't think there are too many people out there who think once we're out then that's that and we return to normality instantly. You only have to look at the past 3 and a bit years to see that it's been a long drawn out process and we're not even out yet, and as such many more people will be aware of the complexities and timescales involved in leaving, and Farage himself will be aware of that. Not to give him any credit, but people all over the country are sick of hearing about it, and while it obviously doesn't go away the minute we leave, people are fed up of it dominating the headlines regardless of which way they voted. I know Remainers (and pretty staunch ones at that), who want this resolved one way or another - be it in, out, or shake it all about - so we can move onto the next step.

The next step will be far worse imo.

There will be hell to pay if we leave without a deal, once the reality kicks in, that it all starts again.

 

[bluethrunthru]

Clueless Little Englander - wants it to be 1973 again

https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/present...ter-wants-freedom-of-movement-british-empire/

 

[Neville Kneville]

Because they were lying so as to win the vote. At least they're either lying now about how much they stressed No Deal was possible then, or they were lying then.

I know that, you know that & I don't believe for one second that people who claim it was simply a vote for 'just leave' truthfully believe that was the case.

Not one.

 

[Blueknows]

I thought it time to put down my thoughts about this whole Brexit thing.

I was and still am a remainer. My reasons are very clear, we were one of the top economies in the world and this was due, almost entirely, because we are in the EU. In my view, to put this in jeopardy would be a supreme act of folly. There will be serious economic consequences to leaving. This is not just my view but the view of the ‘Government’ as well; hence the reason to put by £bns to ‘soften’ the blow, money which could have been spent elsewhere for the benefit of the whole country.

We have said many, many times on this forum about the lies and half truth reporting in national newspapers and it is not a surprise that after many, many years of rubbish some people believe the anti EU rhetoric pumped out by owners and politicians who have a vested interest in leaving the EU - in fact some people (allegedly Rees-Mogg and others) will make money out of it. Add to this the exercise of rubbishing all words of warning about the consequences as ‘scaremongering’ by said newspapers and politicians and them saying ‘it will be easy’ and you don’t have to be a genius to predict the likely outcome.

I believe that leaving the EU never was and never will be easy. We have lived to long in the EU and have our politics and economy so tightly entwined to be able to ‘just leave’. I said at the time that to allow people a free vote on such a complex arrangement as the EU was not the way forward. It was done to placate the right wing of the Tory party. There are too many people in this country who do not care what the consequences of leaving will be. Tell someone on a zero hours, minimum wage contract who relies on a food bank to live that they will be worse off with a no-deal or any Brexit is laughable. One of the planks of leave was immigration; immigration never has been a problem for this country. ‘They’ do not take ‘our’ jobs nor do they jump the queue in housing or hospitals. The problems in our housing and hospitals, amongst others, has been the lack of serious investment whilst the Tories have run down our services. Don’t blame immigration.

Don’t get me wrong, I am not a socialist just someone who cares about the people of this country and the way the Tories have run down our services has been a disgrace and has been the cause of some of the dissent.

Rant over. Won’t change anything but I feel better for it. :)

The UK runs a “trade deficit” with the EU also being out of the EU will allow us to trade with the rest of the world on WTO something we are unable to do being in the EU , nobody knows the consequences of leaving yet all the fear mongering comes from the remoaners , why don't we hear the positives of leaving ? because the globalists dont want us to and are doing everything in their power (funded by Soros) to halt/delay and stop Brexit.....not following through with leaving will be the death of democracy , as they say be careful what you wish for

 

[Blueknows]

Oh give over for fucks sake.

Do you honestly think that any of us are fucking stupid enough to swallow that fascist ****, Mogg excuse ?

Why are you swearing at me for stating a fact ? why all the fake outrage because he has extended it by 4 days ?

 

[Neville Kneville]

The UK runs a “trade deficit” with the EU also being out of the EU will allow us to trade with the rest of the world on WTO something we are unable to do being in the EU , nobody knows the consequences of leaving yet all the fear mongering comes from the remoaners , why don't we hear the positives of leaving ? because the globalists dont want us to and are doing everything in their power (funded by Soros) to halt/delay and stop Brexit.....not following through with leaving will be the death of democracy , as they say be careful what you wish for

Actually, the WTO think it's a fucking stupid idea to crash out, as well.

Democracy dies at close of business today, when an unelected dictator closes Parliament, against their wishes, at a time of national crisis.

 

[Blueknows]

I am not a ‘snowflake’. It’s true that it happens every year but not for so long and not during, what could possibly be, the most important time in this or any other Parliament. Yes it has taken this long to get this far but to close Parliament so that there can be no scrutiny of what the Tories will do is a no no.

why the outrage ? hes extended it by 4 days …..the remoaners have done nothing but delay for 3 and a half years

 

[Fred_Quimby]

The UK runs a “trade deficit” with the EU also being out of the EU will allow us to trade with the rest of the world on WTO something we are unable to do being in the EU , nobody knows the consequences of leaving yet all the fear mongering comes from the remoaners , why don't we hear the positives of leaving ? because the globalists dont want us to and are doing everything in their power (funded by Soros) to halt/delay and stop Brexit.....not following through with leaving will be the death of democracy , as they say be careful what you wish for

Fear mongers? Like our government who are putting by £bns to ‘soften’ the blow? Nobody (except you and a few others) thinks that trading on WTO rules is a good idea.

 

[Vic]

The UK runs a “trade deficit” with the EU also being out of the EU will allow us to trade with the rest of the world on WTO something we are unable to do being in the EU , nobody knows the consequences of leaving yet all the fear mongering comes from the remoaners , why don't we hear the positives of leaving ? because the globalists dont want us to and are doing everything in their power (funded by Soros) to halt/delay and stop Brexit.....not following through with leaving will be the death of democracy , as they say be careful what you wish for

Just daft. You want to trade with the rest of the world but we're the globalists! No one stops us trading with anyone.