Another new Brexit thread

[aguero93:20]

I can imagine it is a suggestion, but it makes no sense. As I've stated why would an egotist who craves power - if indeed that's what he is - want to ensure he presided over chaos and turmoil and his early departure. It just does not add up.

Or maybe he isn't an egotist and does not craves power? Either way, an argument suggesting some ulterior motive, does not make sense.

The no dealers made him leader of the Tory party tbf.

 

[1.618034]

How can a Labour MP who represents a constituency that voted out by a big margin, as some did, vote against this? It’s getting ridiculous now.

A bit like Tory MPs, like Rees Mogg et al who represent a constituency that voted remain by a big margin...

 

[dave_blue12]

I agree about Boris not being a brexiteer. He's always been a remainer . And an opportunist.

This is an interesting point and one that bears thinking about.

So why did Johnson suddenly switch from a very pro EU stance to leadership of the leave campaign ?

The line normally trotted out is that he saw the opportunity to elevate himself into power but I'm not sure that bears scrutiny.

No one really gave leave much of a chance of winning when the referendum was called. It was an issue pursued by a vocal minority.

So who or what convinced Johnson to do a complete 180 degree turn on his views and why does he seem hellbent on as damaging a Brexit as possible.

It smacks of him running another persons agenda for me.

But why ? I hope we find out one day.

 

[blueinsa]

This is an interesting point and one that bears thinking about.

So why did Johnson suddenly switch from a very pro EU stance to leadership of the leave campaign ?

The line normally trotted out is that he saw the opportunity to elevate himself into power but I'm not sure that bears scrutiny.

No one really gave leave much of a chance of winning when the referendum was called. It was an issue pursued by a vocal minority.

So who or what convinced Johnson to do a complete 180 degree turn on his views and why does he seem hellbent on as damaging a Brexit as possible.

It smacks of him running another persons agenda for me.

But why ? I hope we find out one day.

What agenda has Corbyn got for his switch?

 

[Kazzydeyna]

No it doesn't .... a requirement of a FTA (and supposedly thats what the Tories want) with the Eu is that everyone operates on a 'level playing field' ... same employment rights (not financial), same quality standards and same laws re the environment.

The only difference is things like taxation (personal and corporate) and pay / benefits (decided by the employer and employee ... but subject to state rules on minimum wage)

This stops a country (an example i used earlier) employing six year olds to climb up chimneys and undercutting another country who ensure that such employment complies with Health and Safety Legislation .


Without a 'level playing field' the Eu will not give you a Free Trade Agreement as it would undercut their member states

Get it ?

So... If the EU wants a FTA with the USA or china they would expect the USA/China to sign up for these level playing field agreements? Or would that requirent be quietly dropped? And aren't our working arrangements already in alignment? And if a govt wanted to drop them they'd need to be voted in again afterwords wouldn't they .As in, in a democracy?

I get it alright. Bit then again I'm just a racist northern bastard .

 

[Kazzydeyna]

This is an interesting point and one that bears thinking about.

So why did Johnson suddenly switch from a very pro EU stance to leadership of the leave campaign ?

The line normally trotted out is that he saw the opportunity to elevate himself into power but I'm not sure that bears scrutiny.

No one really gave leave much of a chance of winning when the referendum was called. It was an issue pursued by a vocal minority.

So who or what convinced Johnson to do a complete 180 degree turn on his views and why does he seem hellbent on as damaging a Brexit as possible.

It smacks of him running another persons agenda for me.

But why ? I hope we find out one day.

I've always believed he switched as a means of then being able to capture the brexit wing of the party and make himself leader. After a heroic defeat in the referendum .

But leave won because Boris, like everyone else, underestimated the level of hatred towards the EU and the establishment who have always supported it, from the British working class.

Boris shit hisself, and went to ground the very next day .

 

[aguero93:20]

So... If the EU wants a FTA with the USA or china they would expect the USA/China to sign up for these level playing field agreements?

Herein being the reason there's no comprehensive free trade agreements. There's no benefit to the average person in the EU to allowing US or China companies unbridled access to the single market while undercutting our workers rights and conditions.

 

[blueinsa]

I get it alright. Bit then again I'm just a racist northern bastard .

We have to know our place mate.

 

[George Hannah]

I did say he has paved the way for the next leader. He has reclaimed the ground that they can work on.

In the sense he has dug a hole for them to be buried in. Corbyn does nothing but damage to the Labour Party every time he appears at the despatch box - a permanently peevish pillock.

 

[mat]

Rees Mogg deliberately walking his son through protestors abusing him to make a point. Sick fuck.


Sadly that child will become his mini me with the same contempt of the plebs protesting.

 

[blueinsa]

Rees Mogg deliberately walking his son through protestors abusing him to make a point. Sick fuck.

Fuck me you have lost the plot.

Had that been Soubry you would have been up in arms.

Did she deliberately walk through protesters?

 

[jay_mcfc]

What agenda has Corbyn got for his switch?

Becoming leader of a party that accrued over half a million members and having to represent them?

 

[inbetween]

Herein being the reason there's no comprehensive free trade agreements. There's no benefit to the average person in the EU to allowing US or China companies unbridled access to the single market while undercutting our workers rights and conditions.

The US is our largest single country trading partner and the largest economy in the world.

So yeah it wouldn't benefit us at all.

Do you think Poland or the Eastern European countries undercut our wages?

 

[BobKowalski]

Well not a bad day. City win. Letwin win. Remain protestors out in force. Thumbs up all round.

 

[hgblue]

Well not a bad day. City win. Letwin win. Remain protestors out in force. Thumbs up all round.

Enjoy your last few days in the sun ;)

 

[BobKowalski]

Enjoy your last few days in the sun ;)

I will. Today was the optimum day to get the votes to provisionally ratify. Now it gets messy as MPs get into the guts of the European Withdrawal Act and start hanging amendments on it like a Christmas tree.

And the Govt has done what you should never do when fighting on several fronts. Open yet another front. And not just any front but the quagmire that is NI politics.

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

Fuck me you have lost the plot.

Had that been Soubry you would have been up in arms.

Did she deliberately walk through protesters?

Funny how people say the angry thick racist leavers , but ultimately every angry aggressive abusive protest I see is angry left wing remainers?

 

[west didsblue]

Enjoy your last few days in the sun ;)

Starting counting those chickens again?

 

[grunge]

Funny how people say the angry thick racist leavers , but ultimately every angry aggressive abusive protest I see is angry left wing remainers?

this seemed to be both sides. Diane Abbott got a lot of abuse too.

but it was the leave side who were hanging effigies. Not seen that on the remain side.

Any abuse like this isn’t on.

 

[blueinsa]

Becoming leader of a party that accrued over half a million members and having to represent them?

You won't mind Boris a Conservative PM representing a largely leave CLP and grass root support then will you?