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mcfc1632 said:
You seem to equate movement to 'backtracking' - it is just the management of negotiations - which the EU have been exemplary at and we have been shite

I am just seeing it in that factual way.

If I am managing a major negotiation and I will have established a range of identified outcomes ranging from the 'fallback' i.e. the minimum viable that I would accept - through various better levels of what can be realistically achieved and onwards to my 'Ideal' outcome - of 'Ideal is very rarely attained'. I will have gotten the key person/governance body to agree them and then I will go forward with a mandate and report back progress and seek support on decisions.

What the EU was gifted by May was something waaaay beyond what would have been the EU's identified 'Ideal' outcome at the start of negotiations whereas the Irish Sea solution would have been one of the better 'realistic' options.

It is not a question of saying that the EU has 'backtracked' as in 'failed' - but they have indeed moved from the golden ticket they were gifted to another - for them very good - solution

It is just how major negotiations work mate - does not need to be emotional and all about loss or fail - just professional management within agreed governance arrangements

Let's just agree to disagree
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One could argue that the Johnson deal is better for the EU in some ways. The new deal is defenitely better for the RoI.
The EU can avoid negotiationg with the UK on the future of the Irish border, and deal directly with Stormont - in practice if not officially. Huge win!

It is definitely worse for NI who will be subject to an eternal Brexit. Imagine this thread and the one before, and the one before played out every four years in a Ulster shouty voice!
 
The Light Was Yellow Sir said:
Could be. All I know is that most of the ERG are fund managers or have a stake in fund management and they knew that the opposition parties would oppose them. If they’d voted, with their government, this would be over but so would be their easy profits. Surely you can see that?
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Some of these politicians represent nothing but their pockets or their chance to gain an edge for their cronies.

There are other politicians who represent nothing but their own pie in the sky policies,that aren't grounded in reality too.
 
blueish swede said:
One could argue that the Johnson deal is better for the EU in some ways. The new deal is defenitely better for the RoI.
The EU can avoid negotiationg with the UK on the future of the Irish border, and deal directly with Stormont - in practice if not officially. Huge win!

It is definitely worse for NI who will be subject to an eternal Brexit. Imagine this thread and the one before, and the one before played out every four years in a Ulster shouty voice!
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is how it works In Practice like this which seems odd ( or am I wrong )

if in Manchester I sell to a customer in Dublin I potentially add a tariff

if I sell the same product to a customer in Belfast I don’t

yet if the Belfast customer wants to onward sell the same product down to Dublin he can sell it tariff free and add on a little tickle ?
 
BobKowalski said:
Some of the electorate. Some of the electorate are cheering them on.
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Bob, honest question, given a theoretical choice would you just revoke Brexit and stay in the EU? And if so how do you think that would go down with the British people as a whole? Genuinely intersted. Cheers
 
George Hannah said:
Gove ramping it up now - Yellowhammer preparations now intensified 7 days a week 24 hours a day because of the impending risk of no deal exit through EU rejection of an extension .... dramatic stuff
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I get the feeling the government now have the EU behind them in so much they will also effectively try to force Parliament into getting this deal agreed and through in short order.
 
BobKowalski said:
Should follow the French and Irish in abolishing zero hour contracts. The ‘right to request’ is meaningless.

The rest is largely fluff (not that I’m anti fluff). For example are there now legal aid provisions to allow an employee to take a firm to tribunal to demonstrate malice etc? Last time I checked it was not applicable and taking a firm to tribunal costs money and you can be made to pay the employers costs if you lose. If you can’t afford to take someone to a tribunal it makes little difference.

Are these the best bits or just ones you picked at random?
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Tories made it very difficult to go to a tribunal - until the courts ruled it unlawful.
 
The Light Was Yellow Sir said:
Could be. All I know is that most of the ERG are fund managers or have a stake in fund management and they knew that the opposition parties would oppose them. If they’d voted, with their government, this would be over but so would be their easy profits. Surely you can see that?
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Course I see.

All pigs at the same trough.
 
kevin horlocks wand said:
is how it works In Practice like this which seems odd ( or am I wrong )

if in Manchester I sell to a customer in Dublin I potentially add a tariff

if I sell the same product to a customer in Belfast I don’t

yet if the Belfast customer wants to onward sell the same product down to Dublin he can sell it tariff free and add on a little tickle ?
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If you sell to Belfast you add a tariff and the customer in Belfast claims it back. I think.
 
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