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Bluemanc100 said:
Corbyn is full of shit... chief scaremonger

The Yanks are coming.... Lock up the NHS
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I've no problem with them hating Trump, most do but the rhetoric of America is bad is fucking ridiculous.

They are our biggest ally and biggest export market by country ffs.

Do Labour want us to black list them?
 
west didsblue said:
If the government were so convinced it's a great deal they would be happy for a full debate to take place.
They know that the crash out at the end of transition option would be amended and don't want to lose control of that imo.
Transparent as fuck.
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Or, like the opposition, they don't actually care. They are using brexit and (any) deal for their own political gain, to influence public intentions in a G.E.
 
Great question about the whip... Corbyn asked if he would allow his party members to vote based on their beliefs.. no straight answer he just said he would prefer to "convince them to come with him"

Do I believe he won't apply the three line whip... do I fuck
 
Ban-jani said:
I don’t think remainers, in the general public, have had any influence whatsoever on how this has played out.

People just voted for their favourite parties, as usual, in 2017 as all said they’d respect the vote.

Now you could argue that remain MP’s have influenced the proceedings but the likes of us on here, who voted remain, haven’t since 2016.

The government has gone after the leave vote and we haven’t had a vote since 2017, when all there was were leave options to vote for. Even the LibDems were much softer than they are now.

I also don’t think the leave voting public have had much sway, other than that they’ve convinced Johnson he needs their vote to win.
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Sorry - in general my comments about playing it badly would be aimed at the sycophants at Westminster.

We are where we are and I observe that the machinations of the sycophants has led to a good number of people who had been previously staunch Remainers are now - even if with regret - acknowledging that we now need to Leave. So that is clear evidence that they have played it wrong.

Within the general public though I would suggest that there has also been some 'bad handling'.

Surely, after these 3 years of exhausting and frustrating stagnation, people should be moving towards just wanting to call it a day - that is human nature.

It would seem though the opposite of what would seem logical as occurred and the public are hardening both behind Leave and the manner of Leaving.

Perhaps people on forums do need to look in the mirror and consider the role they have played?

I wonder if the attitude of arrogance and entitlement they have displayed has, despite that it has made them feel a bit better in themselves, actually helped the Remain cause?
 
blueinsa said:
Nandy telling her leader to basically shut the fuck up lol
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Her and Del Piero basically saying it needs to go through as it can't be amended until after the 2nd reading, so it's not like her and Corbyn are completely at odds here. I'd like to see it amended so get where she's coming from, but don't trust the Tories to vote for any sensible amendments either, so can see Corbyn's stance as well. Another day, another fine mess!
 
mcfc1632 said:
Read that twice - pretty muddled and hard to understand what is really meant - but I will have a try

Having had my views, expressed over 3 years, on the management of negotiations resoundingly proven right - I can understand you seeking more insights to how to manage the next phase.

Happy to provide you with that guidance - but the detail will depend on just how we finish this stage. When we get to that point I will be happy to give you some guidance.
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Just for the record, I work in the medical school at Manchester University. If you ever need surgery to help you remove yourself from up your own arse, I may be able to point you in the direction of people who can help.
 
joe123 said:
Her and Del Piero basically saying it needs to go through as it can't be amended until after the 2nd reading, so it's not like her and Corbyn are completely at odds here. I'd like to see it amended so get where she's coming from, but don't trust the Tories to vote for any sensible amendments either, so can see Corbyn's stance as well. Another day, another fine mess!
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The deal has been agreed with Dublin and the EU.

What amendments do you think will get through that they will then reopen to look at themselves?

None is the answer.

Shit or get off the pot time for Parliament.
 
Saddleworth2 said:
Ha ha, so they are strong minded because they now support what you like. Does that make all of us millions that still believe Remain is the best option for the country weak minded then? Cohesion and recovery? Leave and then re-apply? Do me a favour.

Remaining is still the single most popular option.
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I did not call people weak-minded - nor make any such reference

Please don't stoop to 'pack levels' of posting
 
Wow.

The Tory gaslighting is apparent on this thread today.

Let's agree a deal that fucks anyone who isn't rich over.

Agree to a Brexit where our rights are destroyed to enrich the richest.

Agree to a Brexit which turns our healthcare into the American based insurance. Willfully ignoring millions who can't afford it.

Agree to a Brexit where hate and division becomes the new norm because whilst were fighting with ourselves the powers that be can get on with fucking us harder.

We live in a country who embraces Stockholm Syndrome. Call a GE. They fall for Cuddly Boris's bullshit and when they do everything promised he can proudly say "Quit moaning because you voted me on to do it!"

Great if you want perpetual Tory rule and serfdom is your thing. It's certainly not mine.


The vote was to leave. I accept that. I don't accept us cutting our dicks off when there's a high 75%chance the woman you've always thought was batting above your average decides she wants to bounce on it.
 
mat said:
Wow.

The Tory gaslighting is apparent on this thread today.

Let's agree a deal that fucks anyone who isn't rich over.

Agree to a Brexit where our rights are destroyed to enrich the richest.

Agree to a Brexit which turns our healthcare into the American based insurance. Willfully ignoring millions who can't afford it.

Agree to a Brexit where hate and division becomes the new norm because whilst were fighting with ourselves the powers that be can get on with fucking us harder.

We live in a country who embraces Stockholm Syndrome. Call a GE. They fall for Cuddly Boris's bullshit and when they do everything promised he can proudly say "Quit moaning because you voted me on to do it!"

Great if you want perpetual Tory rule and serfdom is your thing. It's certainly not mine.


The vote was to leave. I accept that. I don't accept us cutting our dicks off when there's a high 75%chance the woman you've always thought was batting above your average decides she wants to bounce on it.
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you may be surprised to see there are a number of Labour MPs who intend to vote for the deal this evening... maybe because they are not prepared to prolong the agony for their constituents who voted out
 
blueinsa said:
The deal has been agreed with Dublin and the EU.

What amendments do you think will get through that they will then reopen to look at themselves?

None is the answer.

Shit or get off the pot time for Parliament.
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My guess from Labour would be something that closes the door on no deal, as this doesn't do that. Then, something on workers rights and finally something that does away with the part about us being locked in and not able to row back on this at some point in the future. There will almost certainly be something about a 2nd ref but just don't see that going through.

If I was a betting man I'd say were set for a longer extension and a GE tho.
 
blueinsa said:
I've no problem with them hating Trump, most do but the rhetoric of America is bad is fucking ridiculous.

They are our biggest ally and biggest export market by country ffs.

Do Labour want us to black list them?
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The underlined is a fact many hate and certainly our relationship with the US is something the social democrats and socialists in the EU hate. This is why they have spent a lot of time and effort trying to get a piece of that pie by making their own pie, particularly in the defence arena.

An anti-American policy for us would destroy any economic growth as it is the only major growth investment coming into the UK but anti-Americanism is Labour policy!

When Labour mention how bad no deal would be, just think of the arms and defence industry who will face hundreds of thousands of job losses as a result of Labour policy.

None of them care about jobs or the economy, it's all about ideology.
 
Maybe the **** known as Johnson has a plan . Gets this deal through, general election which he will win with an increased majority made up of a greater number of more liberal Tory MP’S , he’s already shit on the DUP , he could then shit on the ERG . This then gives him the leeway for flexibility in the coming negotiations with Europe. As much as I detest him I still have a slight hope that no Prime Minister will fuck his own country and make it poorer .
 
mcfc1632 said:
Sorry - in general my comments about playing it badly would be aimed at the sycophants at Westminster.

We are where we are and I observe that the machinations of the sycophants has led to a good number of people who had been previously staunch Remainers are now - even if with regret - acknowledging that we now need to Leave. So that is clear evidence that they have played it wrong.

Within the general public though I would suggest that there has also been some 'bad handling'.

Surely, after these 3 years of exhausting and frustrating stagnation, people should be moving towards just wanting to call it a day - that is human nature.

It would seem though the opposite of what would seem logical as occurred and the public are hardening both behind Leave and the manner of Leaving.

Perhaps people on forums do need to look in the mirror and consider the role they have played?

I wonder if the attitude of arrogance and entitlement they have displayed has, despite that it has made them feel a bit better in themselves, actually helped the Remain cause?
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Absolutely not. Remainers are entitled to say what they think and are entitled to oppose Brexit, after all it is a bad idea overall and has been handled worse.

What people say on this forum has zero bearing on what happens in parliament and remainers have been ignored by those in power since the vote, despite the vote being very close.

They’re perfectly entitled to their opinions on the matter and they shouldn’t have to curb what they think just because leave had the majority in the referendum, that’s not how democracies work.

That said, I personally am sick to fucking death of this and with a deal in sight, better than May’s, I want us to leave with it.
 
Bluemanc100 said:
you may be surprised to see there are a number of Labour MPs who intend to vote for the deal this evening... maybe because they are not prepared to prolong the agony for their constituents who voted out
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Said constituents probably don't realise voting this bill through will not end the agony.
We'll have years of negotiating for a free trade agreement after our exit deal is secured
 
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