Another new Brexit thread

[bluethrunthru]

I think they meant after Brexit happens?

By which time British Fishing vessels and things like their catches will be monitored not by Defra not by the Maritime Agency not by a UK company acting as outsourced provider but a French company part owned by the French Govt - how on earth is that taking back control?

 

[bluethrunthru]

Genuinely cannot be arsed following the link, but genuinely doubt I need to....

For many years I have provided advice to government departments on how to conduct procurements under the EU regulations - I expect a good number of people on here have got similar experience.

The UK government in 2019 is obligated to use these regulations and, accordingly, this means that there can be no action taken by the UK government to ensure that a UK company is awarded the contract - or even that the evaluation process can show such favour.

Annoyingly, the UK are far more compliant with these regulations than other EU members.

Accordingly, I would expect a French or Spanish company to be far better placed to win such a contract on an evaluation that is strictly conducted under EU regulations.

This issue is actually an argument in favour of being free from EU constraints.

I am not surprised that you do not know this - you and others, in particular @Ifwecouldjust....... have a track record of posting links that it appears that you have either not read or are too blinkered to understand or not capable of understanding

You seem to see these links as silver bullets to shoot the Tories/Brexit with...

Invariably though your preferred target appears to be your own feet

If you did open the other link and see the shadowy way in which the role was put out to tender you may just learn something. In any event my point is a political one - how is outsourcing to a company part owned by the French Govt fulfilling the brief to ardent Brexiters that the reason for leaving is for Britain to take back control? I laugh because those ardent Brexiters even when they see that they aren't going to get the utopia they wanted ( albeit nobody know who wanted what as their utopia as so many versions exist ) they still won't admit it because of stubborn stupid pride.

 

[bluethrunthru]

See my previous reply....

If this id an example of the quality of your arguments then I am afraid that the facts are that you - and those that liked your post - actually and simply do not know what you are talking about

For quite a few of you it is like Shakespeare was able to look into the future and had you in mind when he coined "Hoisted by your......"

and you feel free to see the one I just posted in reply to you and the article I posted from the trade mag which illustrated how the UK that so "slavishly follow EU rules " acted in a way that prejudiced a UK company from winning this contract.

 

[west didsblue]

As @west didsblue and others have made clear on many occasions - I am just a liar and fantasist.....

Fair play to you for finally admitting it.

Although I think bullshitter has been my preferred expression for you.

 

[hilts]

It did years ago.

Edited for accuracy.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Currently reading Tim Shipman's 'All Out War' about the background to Brexit. Very interesting.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

By which time British Fishing vessels and things like their catches will be monitored not by Defra not by the Maritime Agency not by a UK company acting as outsourced provider but a French company part owned by the French Govt - how on earth is that taking back control?

I don't understand your obsession with 'control' and your anti-foreigner stance. I don't think you are racist, but you certainly seems to have a thing about the French and some worrying controlling tendency. Brexit is just a withdrawal from the EU, not the battle of trafalgar or a declaration of war.

 

[Chris in London]

Currently reading Tim Shipman's 'All Out War' about the background to Brexit. Very interesting.

I was given it, too. I found it interesting initially but ultimately glib and superficial. More interesting for the anecdotes he records than the conclusions he reaches.

 

[mcfc1632]

Fair play to you for finally admitting it.

Although I think bullshitter has been my preferred expression for you.

In your desperate denial of the truth - you are again doing that thing that gives so much satisfaction;-)

 

[mcfc1632]

and you feel free to see the one I just posted in reply to you and the article I posted from the trade mag which illustrated how the UK that so "slavishly follow EU rules " acted in a way that prejudiced a UK company from winning this contract.

TBF - I have since sought to check the story - but unless there is another link I did not see - the one you provided was behind a paywall

 

[Vic]

See my previous reply....

If this is an example of the quality of your arguments then I am afraid that the facts are that you - and those that liked your post - actually and simply do not know what you are talking about

For quite a few of you it is like Shakespeare was able to look into the future and had you in mind when he coined "Hoisted by your......"

If you're going to quote the bard, get it right. Did you actually forget (or not bother to look up) what he was hoist with?

 

[Vic]

Oh dear - another poster that does not appear to understand the constraints of EU procurement regulations and just needs to aim at his foot when firing these silver bullets

Just so odd. No argument, no attempt to engage, just abuse.

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Fair play to you for finally admitting it.

Although I think bullshitter has been my preferred expression for you.

Well, if we're going full pack on him...

 

[East Level 2]

By which time British Fishing vessels and things like their catches will be monitored not by Defra not by the Maritime Agency not by a UK company acting as outsourced provider but a French company part owned by the French Govt - how on earth is that taking back control?

We're controlling who we export the jobs to.

 

[mcfc1632]

If you're going to quote the bard, get it right. Did you actually forget (or not bother to look up) what he was hoist with?

How did I not get it right?

I deliberately left the quote unfinished for others to complete

Specifically - what he was hoisted up by has specific relevance do the posts I was relating to - 'don't you think?

You do understand why I assume? - or are you being similarly hoisted? - ;-)

 

[mcfc1632]

Well, if we're going full pack on him...

Lol - "...Just so odd. No argument, no attempt to engage, just abuse."

 

[bluethrunthru]

Freeing up our potential eh?



Today the UK Gov announced it's plans for farming support funding in 2020. I'm really concerned because their plans fail to match the funding our farmers already get from the EU, leaving Wales £120m worse off. Our farmers need support, not shortchanging.



The Conservatives are shortchanging our farmers

 

[Vic]

How did I not get it right?

I deliberately left the quote unfinished for others to complete

Specifically - what he was hoisted up by has specific relevance do the posts I was relating to - 'don't you think?

You do understand why I assume? - or are you being similarly hoisted? - ;-)

I really have no idea what you meant in the first place or what this garbled post is about.

 

[mcfc1632]

I really have no idea what you meant in the first place or what this garbled post is about.

So you responded without knowing why - or the subject - etc.

There are a few of you that just have to post anyway - whether you have anything of substance to say or even if you don't have any understanding of what is being discussed - as you have just proven

You were then obviously just trying to score some point and have indeed been hoisted by your own petard ;-)

 

[Vic]

So you responded without knowing why - or the subject - etc.

There are a few of you that just have to post anyway - whether you have anything of substance to say or even if you don't have any understanding of what is being discussed - as you have just proven

You were then obviously just trying to score some point and have indeed been hoisted by your own petard ;-)

I didn't need to know. I was just correcting your misquote. I'll do it again. Hoist with.

But I still have no idea why it's an appropriate reference to anything that was being said.

And you'll now write 500 words saying why I don't understand (negotiating, Shakespeare, the price of fish) rather than 50 explaining.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

Freeing up our potential eh?



Today the UK Gov announced it's plans for farming support funding in 2020. I'm really concerned because their plans fail to match the funding our farmers already get from the EU, leaving Wales £120m worse off. Our farmers need support, not shortchanging.



The Conservatives are shortchanging our farmers

Total red herring this mate, although you are correct that the loss of the EU subsidy could be a disaster for some farmers. Farming is shafted by supermarkets in our own country. Assuming brexit to some extent chokes the import of EU milk there may be benefit to the UK industry. We pay more for a leg of lamb than farmers get paid for a whole one - that's Tesco and co, not the EU to blame. Farmers only need propped up by subsidy because they get screwed over. We should be able to pay no more or less than we do now and the farmers get a fair deal, but this would mean a reduction supermarket profit margins. For me that’s the fight our govt need to have on behalf of farmers.