Another new Brexit thread

[bluethrunthru]

It's all about those unelected bureaucrats !

Thank fuck we have escaped the rule of those who were unelected eh? Hands up who voted for Symonds or Cummings....................yeah thought so

 

[bluethrunthru]

A bridge that will need a customs area at one end.

A bridge that will need the bomb disposal squad to help in its construction more like.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

When does the money that we’ve saved so far stop being ringfenced for unicorn food?

 

[Len Rum]

Bigly.

I'll raise you.
Covfefe.

 

[Len Rum]

Govester 2016 - no friction in trade.
Govester 2020 - loadsafriction.

 

[Len Rum]

FT getting snippy about it...ah those heady days of naively thinking it would all be unicorns and sunlit uplands.

Not to mention delays.
That extract mentions only costs and bureaucracy.
Fcuk business.

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

Not to mention delays.
That extract mentions only costs and bureaucracy.
Fcuk business.

That can’t be right. One of the major reasons for leaving was to reduce red tape and cut bureaucracy, wasn’t it?

 

[stonerblue]

Meanwhile the dastardly EU are up to no good according to the Express.
“Brexit LIVE: EU plots to hold UK holidaymakers to RANSOM as it outlines trade deal demand”
Does anyone actually believe this shit?

Unfortunately, millions.

 

[stonerblue]

Ever get the feeling you've been had...?

 

[west didsblue]

Ever get the feeling you've been had...?

Long way to go before they admit it.

 

[hilts]

Nonsense. We are culturally way ahead of the USA. There is more culture in your average yoghurt pot than in the USA.

Harsh unless you don't class things like music films tv fashion sports etc as culture. Not everyone is called Billy bob and Mary Lou:-)

 

[r.soleofsalford]

Culturally we probably are in fairness
Not everyone judges things solely in monetary terms. Rejoiners excepted obviously.

Culturally haha

Culturally we probably are in fairness
Not everyone judges things solely in monetary terms. Rejoiners excepted obviously.

Oh culturally, well thats great, I feel so much better

 

[west didsblue]

That can’t be right. One of the major reasons for leaving was to reduce red tape and cut bureaucracy, wasn’t it?

Nah.
Number 1 was sovereignty.
Still waiting for someone to tell us what that means in practice.
The negative effects on the economy and trade are just annoying inconveniences that a bit of positivity and backing Britain will more or less resolve...eventually.

 

[Len Rum]

Looks as if Del Boy BoJo's oven ready Brexit is actually more half baked than anything.
Mick Barnier has stated that the basis for the negotiation will be the (non legally binding) political declaration (PD) signed by BoJo.
The PD includes the commitment of both sides to the level playing field provisions.
Someone should have told BoJo that if you give your word to the EU then they will hold you to it.

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

Looks as if Del Boy BoJo's oven ready Brexit is actually more half baked than anything.
Mick Barnier has stated that the basis for the negotiation will be the (non legally binding) political declaration (PD) signed by BoJo.
The PD includes the commitment of both sides to the level playing field provisions.
Someone should have told BoJo that if you give your word to the EU then they will hold you to it.

To be fair to BoJo that’s never been true for him in this country. Learned behaviour I think it’s called.

 

[aguerrrroooooooooooo]

Best way to cover this up is to announce a fake bridge eh?

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...-gove-tells-business-leaders?CMP=share_btn_tw

Me: If you think brexit is a good idea I've got a bridge to sell you

Boris: Hold my beer

 

[BobKowalski]

EU Commision President has been talking today.

‘Von der Leyen: EU offering the UK "a new model of trade, a unique ambition in terms of access to the single market, but of course this wd require corresponding guarantees and fair competition and the protection of social environmental and consumer standards. In short the level playing field”. VDL surprised to hear PM talk about the Australian model. "Australia is a strong and like minded partner, but the European Union does not have a trade agreement with Australia. We are currently trading on WTO terms. If this is the British choice we are fine with that"

Basically if we want an FTA the level playing field etc are a precondition to negotiating an FTA not a condition within the FTA.

Also Barnier has responded to Javid requesting permanent equivalence for financial services. “There will not be general, open-ended, ongoing equivalence in financial services” Barnier just told the European Parliament. British politicians should not “kid themselves” that there could be, he added.

Well that’s Brexit concluded for today. Back to you in the studio Clive.

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

EU Commision President has been talking today.

‘Von der Leyen: EU offering the UK "a new model of trade, a unique ambition in terms of access to the single market, but of course this wd require corresponding guarantees and fair competition and the protection of social environmental and consumer standards. In short the level playing field”. VDL surprised to hear PM talk about the Australian model. "Australia is a strong and like minded partner, but the European Union does not have a trade agreement with Australia. We are currently trading on WTO terms. If this is the British choice we are fine with that"

Basically if we want an FTA the level playing field etc are a precondition to negotiating an FTA not a condition within the FTA.

Also Barnier has responded to Javid requesting permanent equivalence for financial services. “There will not be general, open-ended, ongoing equivalence in financial services” Barnier just told the European Parliament. British politicians should not “kid themselves” that there could be, he added.

Well that’s Brexit concluded for today. Back to you in the studio Clive.

Basically Brexit has not moved on from 2016. We are still facing the same core issue of do we want to trade openly and freely with the EU (and accept the level playing field with EU rules and everything that has always and will always be a condition of that kind of continued access) or do we shoot ourselves in the foot by putting up trade barriers purely to say that we are fully independant of the EU. The EU are asking the question and Boris is trying to ignore the fact the question exists.

I posted something back in summer 2017 when Teresa May was talking up both sides of the argument and running out of time. That resulted in the infamous chequers meeting where her shit deal failed to impress most of the people in the room, they still wanted unicors and unicors were not offered. BJ is heading for his own crunch in the next couple of months and this will be worse. He has surrounded himself with nutters that are in complete denial about the implications of a hard brexit and the strength of our negotiating position. This will go to shit very quickly.

 

[Chippy_boy]

EU Commision President has been talking today.

‘Von der Leyen: EU offering the UK "a new model of trade, a unique ambition in terms of access to the single market, but of course this wd require corresponding guarantees and fair competition and the protection of social environmental and consumer standards. In short the level playing field”. VDL surprised to hear PM talk about the Australian model. "Australia is a strong and like minded partner, but the European Union does not have a trade agreement with Australia. We are currently trading on WTO terms. If this is the British choice we are fine with that"

Basically if we want an FTA the level playing field etc are a precondition to negotiating an FTA not a condition within the FTA.

Also Barnier has responded to Javid requesting permanent equivalence for financial services. “There will not be general, open-ended, ongoing equivalence in financial services” Barnier just told the European Parliament. British politicians should not “kid themselves” that there could be, he added.

Well that’s Brexit concluded for today. Back to you in the studio Clive.

Do you always take on face value what the person across the negotiating table says to you? If so I can only imagine how many times in your life you must have been right royally ripped off.

"Price for this house is £250,000". Bob = "Oh right then, here's the £250,000"

"The chicken dish comes with chips not mash sir". Bob = "OK can I pay extra for mash then".

etc etc etc.

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

Do you always take on face value what the person across the negotiating table says to you? If so I can only imagine how many times in your life you must have been right royally ripped off.

"Price for this house is £250,000". Bob = "Oh right then, here's the £250,000"

"The chicken dish comes with chips not mash sir". Bob = "OK can I pay extra for mash then".

etc etc etc.

This is a binary issue we either have a comprehensive trade deal or we don't. The EU are pointing out that we keep talking up two sides of this conundrum. The Australia model is basically no deal with a bit of a glitter roll. The EU say if you want that fine. I can 100% guarantee that outcome is not fine, i'd go as far as to say if he tries in line with his own self imposed timeline then it could bring down the government. There is no negotiation going on here - there is the EU who are explaining what this will look like in simple terms and there is the torries sending out very mixed and confused messaging.

This has all the signs of an incoming disaster.