Another new Brexit thread

[Vic]

Four years on and guess what? Still zero planning. We still haven’t figured out exactly what we signed up to in the Withdrawal Agreement.

Personally I find it bleeding hilarious.

No Bob. Brexit never was and never will be hilarious. Some of the Brexiter comments do raise a laugh.

 

[Tb1981]

Its because they were too clever for their stupid constituents of course.

Or just arrogant red wall mps who didn’t think they were accountable to their electorate

 

[Vic]

You may find a lot of the people preventing it getting through parliament are no longer members of parliament
Wonder why?

Because Johnson doesn't like people with a mind of their own.

 

[Tb1981]

Because Johnson doesn't like people with a mind of their own.

Yes that’s right
He voted all those Labour MPs out

 

[west didsblue]

Zero planning!!!!
Spent 3 years fucking about in parliament before it was even accepted we are leaving as per the result of a referendum

Not how I remember it. There was a 200 vote majority to invoke Article 50. That looks very much like acceptance that we were leaving. What it didn’t mean was acceptance of the trajectory preferred by the ERG and the ultras. A sensible Brexit would have been agreed by a majority in 2018 and we’d have implemented our new relationship with the EU by now. But no, it’s the Remainers fault! YCNMIU.

 

[Tb1981]

Not how I remember it. There was a 200 vote majority to invoke Article 50. That looks very much like acceptance that we were leaving. What it didn’t mean was acceptance of the trajectory preferred by the ERG and the ultras. A sensible Brexit would have been agreed by a majority in 2018 and we’d have implemented our new relationship with the EU by now. But no, it’s the Remainers fault! YCNMIU.

Of course you are right as always.
That’s the sensible brexit option that would have been in by all in parliament
By the guys that voted no to a deal and no to no deal
Leaving precisely fuck all options other than to turf them out
Which of course happened

 

[Blue Hefner]

What’s the problem, really? The Vote Leave Government has an 80 seat majority, the EU needs a a more than we need them, the deal is ‘oven ready’ so what are we arguing about(reality aside)?

This should be a walk in the park and as of the 1st of July we will be able to have our cake and eat it

Who’s with me?!!

 

[west didsblue]

What’s the problem, really? The Vote Leave Government has an 80 seat majority, the EU needs a a more than we need them, the deal is ‘oven ready’ so what are we arguing about(reality aside)?

This should be a walk in the park and as of the 1st of July we will be able to have our cake and eat it

Who’s with me?!!

I really struggle to understand what the Brexiteers are complaining about. They are in the exact position they’ve always wanted to be. Quite bizarre that they’re lining up Remainers, Corbyn, May and anyone else they can think of to blame if they don’t get their unicorn deal (or should I say when) or if we end up with No Deal. Whatever version of Brexit we end up with, however shit, they own it. No amount of squirming, rewriting history or whining can change that.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

I really struggle to understand what the Brexiteers are complaining about. They are in the exact position they’ve always wanted to be. Quite bizarre that they’re lining up Remainers, Corbyn, May and anyone else they can think of to blame if they don’t get their unicorn deal (or should I say when) or if we end up with No Deal. Whatever version of Brexit we end up with, however shit, they own it. No amount of squirming, rewriting history or whining can change that.

I'm not sure there is much complaining from brexiteers tbh.

 

[west didsblue]

I'm not sure there is much complaining from brexiteers tbh.

Maybe the constant moaning about the uselessness of Johnson and the repeated blaming of Remainers for I’m not sure what is just my imagination.
In reality, it’s just getting excuses in early for when it goes to shit next year.

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

Not how I remember it. There was a 200 vote majority to invoke Article 50. That looks very much like acceptance that we were leaving. What it didn’t mean was acceptance of the trajectory preferred by the ERG and the ultras. A sensible Brexit would have been agreed by a majority in 2018 and we’d have implemented our new relationship with the EU by now. But no, it’s the Remainers fault! YCNMIU.

Exactly, May's deal had enough labour and other votes to get through if the ERG and Boris Johnson Etc had backed it first time. They didn't and from that moment onwards any king of compromise was sunk. But they had no plan of their own - they had convinced themselves their own BS was true and that no deal was a serious option.

With the Ultras now in power they still don't want to accept the reality and they don't know what to do. Their idea of a deal is a non starter, it's bordering on ridiculous (the idea that the EU would give us free trade and a free pass on regulatory alignment), so it will be no deal or a last minute panic deal. All possible options worse than May's deal and far worse than remaining a member of the EU. Not long left now and we can stop speculating and call it what it is - a disaster, a humiliation.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

Maybe the constant moaning about the uselessness of Johnson and the repeated blaming of Remainers for I’m not sure what is just my imagination.
In reality, it’s just getting excuses in early for when it goes to shit next year.

It's you saying all this though, not brexiteers. On the whole they seem pretty upbeat. Whether they are right or not only time will tell I suppose, but you seem to be trying to construct a liverpudlian victimhood for yourself. It's my birthday tomorrow so I'll light you a candle.x

 

[adrianr]

Exactly, May's deal had enough labour and other votes to get through if the ERG and Boris Johnson Etc had backed it first time. They didn't and from that moment onwards any king of compromise was sunk. But they had no plan of their own - they had convinced themselves their own BS was true and that no deal was a serious option.

With the Ultras now in power they still don't want to accept the reality and they don't know what to do. Their idea of a deal is a non starter, it's bordering on ridiculous (the idea that the EU would give us free trade and a free pass on regulatory alignment), so it will be no deal or a last minute panic deal. All possible options worse than May's deal and far worse than remaining a member of the EU. Not long left now and we can stop speculating and call it what it is - a disaster, a humiliation.

But naturally it will be marketed as a great victory.

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

But naturally it will be marketed as a great victory.

A shit deal cobbled together at the death under a growing shit storm from UK business, basically capitulation back to where we were in 2017 with basically full adoption of EU rules with some fluff about not being bound to accept any changes (but unacceptable consequence if we do).

Yep Johnson would describe that as a massive victory.

 

[Vic]

Not how I remember it. There was a 200 vote majority to invoke Article 50. That looks very much like acceptance that we were leaving. What it didn’t mean was acceptance of the trajectory preferred by the ERG and the ultras. A sensible Brexit would have been agreed by a majority in 2018 and we’d have implemented our new relationship with the EU by now. But no, it’s the Remainers fault! YCNMIU.

Don't forget May went to the country and lost her majority - in an attempt to get a bigger majority so as to outvote the ERG bastards (copyright John Major) and that includes traitor Johnson.

 

[Vic]

It's you saying all this though, not brexiteers. On the whole they seem pretty upbeat. Whether they are right or not only time will tell I suppose, but you seem to be trying to construct a liverpudlian victimhood for yourself. It's my birthday tomorrow so I'll light you a candle.x

... It just seems a shame that the unintended consequence is that 4 years to make preparations has become 6 months. All the people now condemning the govt for a lack of planning / preparation are generally the same ones that have spent four years delighting in the govt having its hands tied by remainers in parliament. Like I said - unintended consequences. The remainers could have had May's BRINO through parliament, but decided to go double or quits thinking they could force revoke / remain. They misread the situation and fucked up.

Spot on that - the Remainers seem unwilling to reap or accept responsibility for the consequences of the actions that they have supported and took delight in.

 

[mcfc1632]

Brexiteers had no plan but blame remainers for not accepting whatever half baked measure is most recently up for consideration. There was zero planning for brexit, there is still no workable plan. That can only be the fault of brexiteers. We still don't know where we are going with this and we are fast approaching a year of Johnson as PM. At what point do you accept there is no good way forward?

That is utter bollocks

There was zero planning for Brexit!!

Cameron was PM and would not allow planning for a successful referendum outcome - Cameron was a Remainer

May was PM and Hammond Chancellor - they spent 3 years kotowing to the EU and not commissioning No-Deal planning - May and Hammond are Remainers

At what point do you accept the truth and stop with the spin

I agree that planning for all Leave scenarios should have started 4 fucking years ago - it was prevented by Remainers

 

[BobKowalski]

That is utter bollocks

There was zero planning for Brexit!!

Cameron was PM and would not allow planning for a successful referendum outcome - Cameron was a Remainer

May was PM and Hammond Chancellor - they spent 3 years kotowing to the EU and not commissioning No-Deal planning - May and Hammond are Remainers Remainer

At what point do you accept the truth and stop with the spin

I agree that planning for all Leave scenarios should have started 4 fucking years ago - it was prevented by Remainers

As of today there has still been zero planning for Brexit. The May Govt did at least put Operation Brock into place but that has been stood down.

Our entire focus right now is on trying to get the economy back to some sort of ‘normality’ with Covid 19 still amongst us. The rest of Europe is trying to do the same.

The imposition of new tariffs, regulatory barriers and new inter UK trade protocols in six months time for which we have not prepared will be a huge problem. That we doing so whilst operating in a pandemic environment compounds the problem. That we are doing this as a deliberate choice is stupid beyond reason. A suicide cult would make more sense than this.

I invite everyone to discuss the moronic stupidity of our current position. Please keep it relatively brief.

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

That is utter bollocks

There was zero planning for Brexit!!

Cameron was PM and would not allow planning for a successful referendum outcome - Cameron was a Remainer

May was PM and Hammond Chancellor - they spent 3 years kotowing to the EU and not commissioning No-Deal planning - May and Hammond are Remainers Remainer

At what point do you accept the truth and stop with the spin

I agree that planning for all Leave scenarios should have started 4 fucking years ago - it was prevented by Remainers

3 years in which brexiteers could not agree themselves on which way to go and never put forward any alternatives. They flip flopped on key votes, one way then the other. Johnson and Mogg voted for May's deal once and against it twice, Gove voted for it 3 times where as the 80ish ERG ultras voted against it 3 times. You cant blame remainers when the brexiteers couldn't even get there house in order and decide what they wanted. All they can do is snipe from the sidelines - blame the EU for everything.

But that is now beside the point - Johnson has been in power for 12 months - where is the evidence of any plan? Where is the no deal planning up to and preparations for customs checks and tariffs on all goods coming into the UK (a WTO requirement)? Where are the alternatives to the European Banking Authority or the European Aviation Safety Authority or the 30+ similar institutions (these need to be ready to go in January whatever the outcome)?

And if you are just going to dismiss this complete failure as Johnson's mess who else from the ranks of prominent brexiteers do you think would have done a better job?

 

[west didsblue]

It's you saying all this though, not brexiteers. On the whole they seem pretty upbeat. Whether they are right or not only time will tell I suppose, but you seem to be trying to construct a liverpudlian victimhood for yourself. It's my birthday tomorrow so I'll light you a candle.x

Fucking irony of this post.

No shortage of Brexiteer “victims” of supposed Remainer obstructive behaviour. You really don’t have to look far.

I would normally advise you where to stick your candle but as it’s your birthday you might need it for your cake.