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BigOscar said:
They were promised unicorns, if they don't get unicorns it will be because someone did something wrong, not that expecting unicorns was obviously never going to happen in the first place
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Yes - and today we had evidence that these Unicorns will be Donkeys. I don't expect any of our brexiteer friends to address it. They will wine and moan and blame others for not getting what they want.
 
Gaudion M said:
Yes - and today we had evidence that these Unicorns will be Donkeys. I don't expect any of our brexiteer friends to address it. They will wine and moan and blame others for not getting what they want.
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It's almost certainly the fault of the people who said they wouldn't get unicorns, for not believing enough. If we'd all got behind them and truly believed, we would definitely have unicorns by now
 
Gaudion M said:
Yes - and today we had evidence that these Unicorns will be Donkeys. I don't expect any of our brexiteer friends to address it. They will wine and moan and blame others for not getting what they want.
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If only they knew what they want!
 
With a week left to legislate for an extension I did wonder what the alternatives might be so googled. I didn't really expect the Express to be contemplating the possible ways to avoid disaster.

It also answers the complaint about business not getting ready for Brexit:

“Telling businesses to prepare for the worst just in case will not cut the mustard: if a business implements costly preparations for no agreement, it risks losing out to less conscientious competitors if an agreement is reached at the last minute,” the report explains.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ex...it-extension-deadline-extended-uk-eu-news/amp
 
Vic said:
Was this at Prime Minister's Lies? I got a phone call so didn't hear beyond Starmer's Qs.
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Yes. It was after Starmer I think. Clearly caught him off guard as he used a stock answer that made zero sense given what he had just been told. The DUP MP had evidence, 14 acres to be used for infrastructure re customs checks and that a proposal had to be with the EU by the end of the month. Johnson just defaulted to dismissing the whole concept.

Clearly he has no idea what is happening (or needs to happen) on the ground and still denies to engage with the reality. Its incompetence or straight up lying. This is the sort of stuff that will go down very badly with his back benchers, they are primed and ready for the fight. There was no fight from Johnson today, he just wasn't aware of the facts and had nothing to respond with other than and old line that is now clearly false.
 
Gaudion M said:
Yes. It was after Starmer I think. Clearly caught him off guard as he used a stock answer that made zero sense given what he had just been told. The DUP MP had evidence, 14 acres to be used for infrastructure re customs checks and that a proposal had to be with the EU by the end of the month. Johnson just defaulted to dismissing the whole concept.

Clearly he has no idea what is happening (or needs to happen) on the ground and still denies to engage with the reality. Its incompetence or straight up lying. This is the sort of stuff that will go down very badly with his back benchers, they are primed and ready for the fight. There was no fight from Johnson today, he just wasn't aware of the facts and had nothing to respond with other than and old line that is now clearly false.
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Barnier has been banging on about NI today. Pretty much saying nothing will happen deal wise until we stop trying to weasel out of binding commitments in the WA and implement NI protocols fully and to EU satisfaction.

"We need the UK to implement the withdrawal agreement in all its areas. Progress on Northern Ireland remains unsatisfactory. The UK needs to move beyond good intentions to operational measures. The implementation of the deal on N Ireland is the premise for any deal on the future relationship"

Johnson waffling lies while others brandish actual Government documents stating what will happen is absurd. Can’t imagine Tory MPs will be impressed by this level of buffoonery either.
 
BobKowalski said:
Barnier has been banging on about NI today. Pretty much saying nothing will happen deal wise until we stop trying to weasel out of binding commitments in the WA and implement NI protocols fully and to EU satisfaction.

"We need the UK to implement the withdrawal agreement in all its areas. Progress on Northern Ireland remains unsatisfactory. The UK needs to move beyond good intentions to operational measures. The implementation of the deal on N Ireland is the premise for any deal on the future relationship"

Johnson waffling lies while others brandish actual Government documents stating what will happen is absurd. Can’t imagine Tory MPs will be impressed by this level of buffoonery either.
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So does he have no intention of dealing with his own commitment in the WA. So what happens if we fail to honour it. It would guarantee no deal but with extra souring of the relationship. No deal is bad enough to start with. I would imagine it would go down badly in the US as we would be putting ROI in a very sticky position. Is he trying to force the reunification of Ireland by the back door?
 
Gaudion M said:
So does he have no intention of dealing with his own commitment in the WA. So what happens if we fail to honour it. It would guarantee no deal but with extra souring of the relationship. No deal is bad enough to start with. I would imagine it would go down badly in the US as we would be putting ROI in a very sticky position. Is he trying to force the reunification of Ireland by the back door?
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Think it’s more he doesn’t have a clue as to which way to jump. Tory MP on Johnson over the pandemic said ‘PM didn’t know whether to prioritise health or the economy so he sacrificed both’. On a US trade deal and chlorinated chicken and food standards vs opening up UK to US methods, ‘Johnson agrees with both sides’. Basically he’s crap at the job and crap at making decisions.

Johnson is a path of least resistance kind of guy. Agreeing a last minute surrender for an easy life and painting it as victory is the move I see happening. Others have said much the same on here.
 
BobKowalski said:
Barnier has been banging on about NI today. Pretty much saying nothing will happen deal wise until we stop trying to weasel out of binding commitments in the WA and implement NI protocols fully and to EU satisfaction.

"We need the UK to implement the withdrawal agreement in all its areas. Progress on Northern Ireland remains unsatisfactory. The UK needs to move beyond good intentions to operational measures. The implementation of the deal on N Ireland is the premise for any deal on the future relationship"

Johnson waffling lies while others brandish actual Government documents stating what will happen is absurd. Can’t imagine Tory MPs will be impressed by this level of buffoonery either.
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I assume that you are taking some comfort from the level of Barnier's angst - if not - you should be??

If not - it just speaks volumes about just how far you are committed to seeing the UK's interests suffer in your need to win a debate on a football forum.

I still am very nervous - but the more Barnier cranks up the indignation volume about the UK dumping the PD - the more we can all hope the this is genuine resolve we are seeing and that the professionals remain in charge.

Fingers crossed!!

https://www.rt.com/news/492841-barnier-eu-uk-backtracking-brexit/
 
Reading these last few pages it really seems it hasn’t twigged with many people what the opposition to their views is thinking.

Most remain voters on here are still going on about the economy.

To a large proportion of Brexit voters they couldn’t give a fuck about an economic hit, a lot are poor as it is and are sick and tired of globalisation being played at fast forward speed within the EU.

Now I happen to hold the economy as my main priority and therefore I’m a remainer but having spent 2.5 years arguing the toss with Brexit voters on here over it and with people I know or people I speak with generally, I’ve realised no economic forecast will sway opinion on the other side, they just want the UK to be independent of Brussels.

Now some think we’ll be okay economically, dependent on the deal and that’s where the debate will be and should be but I can’t believe some are surprised when they’re not engaged on the economical debate.
 
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