They went balls out and managed to delay the result, all the while hurling the insults out, aYou COULD have had a brexit being negotiated by Labour, but no, your actions and rhetoric put paid to that the moment you started attacking the character and integrity of leave voters, and now we've got a Tory majority, your nightmare, in charge of the whole process.
Proud?
You don't get out of it that easy ;-)We don't. We haven't been the ones starting the "blame" shit.
They're the ones trying to put leavers at the forefront, so we're just highlighting a few home truths and lo and behold, they don't like it.
Maybe both sides should stop with the whole "who's to blame" rhetoric?
Boris losing every vote and calling the election; that was the turning point. Remainers saw blood, believed that this was their time, all they had to do was convince the public to vote for pro-remain parties, and brexit would be a thing of the past... a public that they had been insulting, denigrating and condescending towards for the better part of three and a half years.They went balls out and managed to delay the result, all the while hurling the insults out, a
PM who, by then, had no majority managed to get their support for an election,
and not only did the dream turn to dust, it was compounded by a massive Tory majority.
ARF.
I think a few people are mixing up the blame for Brexit happening at all with the blame for the consequences of Brexit.
Corbyn is fully complicit in helping Brexit happen for two reasons. He disappeared in the run up to the referendum (presumably because instinctively he is anti-EU) and secondly he had the opportunity to force a second ref but instead went for an election that he was clearly going to lose. He should have resigned after losing to May in 2017 and let a real leader take over who had the ability to think strategically.
On the other hand the consequences are fairly and squarely the responsibility of Johnson and the Tories as it is their WA and it will be their trade deal (if they manage to negotiate one).
It's all old hat and by the by now, but they had a political party in the Lib DemsBoris losing every vote and calling the election; that was the turning point. Remainers saw blood, believed that this was their time, all they had to do was convince the public to vote for pro-remain parties, and brexit would be a thing of the past... a public that they had been insulting, denigrating and condescending towards for the better part of three and a half years.
Was December 2019 really that big of a shock to anyone?
Not really as most people voted for parties committed either to revoke article 50 or at least allow a second referendum.Boris losing every vote and calling the election; that was the turning point. Remainers saw blood, believed that this was their time, all they had to do was convince the public to vote for pro-remain parties, and brexit would be a thing of the past... a public that they had been insulting, denigrating and condescending towards for the better part of three and a half years.
Was December 2019 really that big of a shock to anyone?
Small blessingDoing that rather odd alternating between capitals and lower case makes your posts practically unreadable.
Maybe both sides should stop with the whole "who's to blame" rhetoric?
Small blessing
Not really as most people voted for parties committed either to revoke article 50 or at least allow a second referendum.
So you are taking the blame?
This is not true.
The Lib Dems gained 900,000 more votes in 2019 than they did in 2017, hardly a resounding approval of revoking A50.
Labour meanwhile lost 2.5 million votes in 2019 by offering a second referendum compared to 2017 where their policy was to implement the referendum!!
The SNP aside, there isn't a single example of a party that has done well whilst campaigning to stay or remain in Europe.
To be honest, the only party that has remotely done well being pro-EU is the Tory party under Cameron! Cameron offered the first referendum and won a majority but he wholeheartedly admitted that he was pro-EU.
Name these 4 parties, and don't say Labour was one of them, as they were not a party of "remaining".If you take all parties that got more than 1% vote share:
2 were pro brexit and got 45.6%
4 were anti brexit (or pro 2nd ref as a minimum) and got 49.3% of the vote.
So the 2019 GE election vote in no way endorsed brexit. The FPTP the system turned that result in to a 56% share of MPs for the tory party.
I await these acts of retribution.for what , blame for what , why what’s happened?
blame is usually because something bad has happened
no I am celebrating the fact that we are leaving and that my vote counted towards us leaving
Name these 4 parties, and don't say Labour was one of them, as they were not a party of "remaining".
Also TWO pro brexit parties got 45% and FOUR anti brexit got just 4% more? Again, not a glowing indictment, was it. And what percentage share of the UK voting population was the SNP vote? Not to mention the turnout was less than the referendum so that still leaves a third of the voting public who didn't care either way.
No, you see, a 2nd referendum would be based on a public vote, not what Labour thinks, and as we saw from all the polls, the number of people who supported leave hadn't actually changed at all.Go back and read it again. PS we all know Labour would have killed of brexit in a 2nd ref. Labour supporters are 80% remain. There would have been the softest of brexits put to the people v's remain and the head bangers would have most likely abstained rather than vote for BRINO.
That's fine. Plenty do seem keen to blame Remainers for things like Customs costs (twice the annual cost of our EU subs) let alone all the other disbenefits of Brexit (no dog passports for French-speaking dogs...).for what , blame for what , why what’s happened?
blame is usually because something bad has happened
no I am celebrating the fact that we are leaving and that my vote counted towards us leaving
Of course it's true. Labour 32.2%, Libdem 11.6%, SNP 3.9%, Green 2.7%, Sinn Fein 0.6%, Plaid Cymru 0.5%, SDLP 0.4%, Alliance 0.4% = 52.3%. I thank you. And the pro-revoke LibDems put on 4% which was enough to cost some Labour MPs their seats in pro-Remain areas.This is not true.
The Lib Dems gained 900,000 more votes in 2019 than they did in 2017, hardly a resounding approval of revoking A50.
Labour meanwhile lost 2.5 million votes in 2019 by offering a second referendum compared to 2017 where their policy was to implement the referendum!!
The SNP aside, there isn't a single example of a party that has done well whilst campaigning to stay or remain in Europe.
To be honest, the only party that has remotely done well being pro-EU is the Tory party under Cameron! Cameron offered the first referendum and won a majority but he wholeheartedly admitted that he was pro-EU.
Go back and read it again. PS we all know Labour would have killed of brexit in a 2nd ref. Labour supporters are 80% remain. There would have been the softest of brexits put to the people v's remain and the head bangers would have most likely abstained rather than vote for BRINO.
The figure for Labour remainers keeps growing and growing every month.ha ha keep up the bullshit . Labour supporters are 80% remain????? Where in your head.
you never ever listen.
labour supporters are predominately in the north of England who predominately voted leave.
you will never face facts or try to listen or understand your core voters. That’s why you know the red wall fell because labour voters preferred a brexit over labour so voted tory.
you would think labour would have learnt its lesson but no, it’s back to becoming the party of cause, Middle Eastern politics, identity politics and all things in metro london.
workington man has been forgotten , well until 4 years time when they will be back up north pretending that they care about their core support.