Yep - just needs careful handling to ensure that it is not a 'back to the future exercise' and we end up with inappropriate nationalisation - but obviously determining the 'conditions' that = essential infrastructure should be easy to establish.A fear of mine following Brexit is the Tories selling everything off to foreign powers and companies, that’s obviously a governmental issue but it’s something they’re capable of doing.
We need to bring things in house.
That is where we 'largely' disagreeI really think they should be extending the transition period, it seems madness to me they’re going to let both impact in the same year.
Fasten your seatbelts!
I was reading that first part as you commenting on the completely unacceptable positions of the EU....If you have no intention of getting a decent deal (or prospect of ever getting one as your demands are considered a non starter by the other side). Why delay. Might as well just get on with the madness. In fact Covid provides cover. Might as well fuck all the ports and supply chains up when they are on their arse anyway as opposed to waiting for then to recover and then cripple them.
Mainly to avoid the double whammy of COVID-19 and Brexit happening all at once, is the reason why I think so.That is where we 'largely' disagree
I would be up for a 'sort of' extension if it was exclusively and specifically for the implementation of/transition to new processes and arrangements that result from a deal - or even from a No-Deal (yes - there is validity/sense in that)
What must be avoided (which is what the EU are desperate for) is simply extending for the purpose of further 'negotiations' (aka prevarication and seeking to undermine Brexit) - there must not be the replacement of the light at the end of the tunnel with more tunnel
I suspect it may suit the Govt for them to coincide so they can scapegoat covid with any brexit fallout.Mainly to avoid the double whammy of COVID-19 and Brexit happening all at once, is the reason why I think so.
But as Guadian M said, if there isn’t going to be a deal at all, there’s little point in waiting for another year or two to take a sudden economic hit again, might as well get it over and done with and try and progress from there.
Yep - just needs careful handling to ensure that it is not a 'back to the future exercise' and we end up with inappropriate nationalisation - but obviously determining the 'conditions' that = essential infrastructure should be easy to establish.
I worry that the Tories have an ideological blindspot
I suspect it may suit the Govt for them to coincide so they can scapegoat covid with any brexit fallout.
I understand that view - I even agree with that view and in 'normally prevailing' conditions I would be advocating it.Mainly to avoid the double whammy of COVID-19 and Brexit happening all at once, is the reason why I think so.
But as Guadian M said, if there isn’t going to be a deal at all, there’s little point in waiting for another year or two to take a sudden economic hit again, might as well get it over and done with and try and progress from there.
I'll let you know once you've answered @Saddleworth2 question to you on pg 3873.TBF - what you see as "...pointing out the lies and future shit coming..." as been largely a lot of misrepresentation and bollocks off twitter.
Also TBF though - I am sure there would be valid stuff in there to discuss - it just gets so hard to see it through the dross.
But let's not go there - you seem to be keen to raise the level of debate - which is great. What are your thoughts against the points I have just listed?
I understand that view - I even agree with that view and in 'normally prevailing' conditions I would be advocating it.
But what we have all learned - Leavers and Remain - over the last 4 years, is the the EU wishes to just drag out the process interminably - so without it being an agreed period of time to implement well defined procedures and arrangements - it is not good for the UK (at least for getting Brexit implemented)
Even now the EU bangs on about the need for an extension in the hope that they can delay Brexit on and on
Brexit fallout will be distinct and different to any Covid fallout. Also I seriously doubt we have the capacity to cope with two separate fallouts occurring at the same time.
You embrace future shit as a good thing. It means we've got the EU on the run.TBF - what you see as "...pointing out the lies and future shit coming..." as been largely a lot of misrepresentation and bollocks off twitter.
Also TBF though - I am sure there would be valid stuff in there to discuss - it just gets so hard to see it through the dross.
But let's not go there - you seem to be keen to raise the level of debate - which is great. What are your thoughts against the points I have just listed?
A fear of mine following Brexit is the Tories selling everything off to foreign powers and companies, that’s obviously a governmental issue but it’s something they’re capable of doing.
We need to bring things in house.
Just read the last 6 pages of this thread. Not one leaver out of the 3 has managed to make any valid points after the remainers have had a field day pointing out the lies and future shit coming. Lot of distraction and fingers in ears though.
It used to be slightly amusing, now it's just pitiable.They could just be bored of the thread, it’s hard to read more than 2 pages without turning off.
It used to be slightly amusing, now it's just pitiable.
We should make it an annual thing, like Eurovision.Yeah, I think we should have a second referendum , spice it up again.
We should make it an annual thing, like Eurovision.
Anyone who finishes in the bottom 5 are kicked out of the EU.Less bias and more politics involved in Eurovision
Anyone who finishes in the bottom 5 are kicked out of the EU.