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With Covid raging and the sports news dominated by the greatest club in world football (Liverpool FC) I forgot this was going on.

I take it we’re all ready for a smooth transition on January 2nd when Brittania breaks her moorings and is freed from the oppressive regime known as the European Union?
 
"not me guv"..........however Johnson, Gove, Hannan, Farage, Raab and the rest of them are about to find they have to own the thing they were in denial about very, very soon......bunch of liars

www.bbc.co.uk

Brexit trade: 'Serious disruption' risk at Channel post-transition period

Ministers are "taking limited responsibility" for readiness ahead of the transition period ending, MPs say.
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A government spokesman said: "The UK has a highly resilient food supply chain and there will not be an overall shortage of food, regardless of what trading arrangements we agree with the EU".

How do they know it's highly resilient? No-one has ever before slapped tariffs on half what we eat.
 
west didsblue said:
If I had to speculate, the deal was done exactly a month ago and that has prompted the 15% rise in the stock market during November. It’s all theatre now and Johnson is just waiting for the stage managed EU concession on fish, so that at the very last moment he will triumphantly announce his great victory and will basque in the glory of getting one over on the EU, just for as long as it takes for someone to actually read the deal and burst his balloon because of the UK concessions on LPF and governance. Of course I could be wrong but I would expect a lot more volatility in the markets if there was significant doubt about the outcome.

As for the actual outcome, my guess is that it won’t be far short of BRINO with extra bureaucracy which is why the markets like it. Again it’s just my opinion and I could be totally wrong.
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Actually, all the extra paperwork counts as economic activity so will help GDP. Pity about the price increases.
 
Vic said:
2021-2070. Even mcfc1632 reckoned 50 years to see the benefit.
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Mega - we regress to 1969 ( I was 8 then so I know what the country was like and the intervening years ) and in 2050 we should be where we are now?

I am really looking forward to all those Brexiters on here explaining away the chaos - the inflation - the job losses - the damage to British industry because at last they will have to explain the benefits of all that damage vs what they think of as sovereignty - and how that hasn't equated to cheap trainers.

MB has been as quiet as on here as French Mark has been on social media since the summer. Odd that.
 
bluethrunthru said:
Mega - we regress to 1969 ( I was 8 then so I know what the country was like and the intervening years ) and in 2050 we should be where we are now?

I am really looking forward to all those Brexiters on here explaining away the chaos - the inflation - the job losses - the damage to British industry because at last they will have to explain the benefits of all that damage vs what they think of as sovereignty - and how that hasn't equated to cheap trainers.

MB has been as quiet as on here as French Mark has been on social media since the summer. Odd that.
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Best I can offer is some comfort reading:

British readying for Brexit: They never saw it coming, mate (irishtimes.com)

Simon Fraser on Twitter: "1/6: A short #Brexit retrospective as we enter the last month. Four and a half years ago we started down this path with little understanding of the route or the destination, pushed by ideologues who exploited the diverse and often reasonable grievances of many people." / Twitter
 
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journolud said:
You’re supposed to give the positive spin
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Hey - unlike some on here (not aimed at you) - I read a wide range of views and take them as inputs - not just inputs that fuel my pre-disposition

But I form my own views and do not just lamely regurgitate;-)
 
Where we were in 2016. Easiest trade deal in history, free trade zone from Iceland to Russia, we will get a better than than as a member, we won’t leave until a new deal is in place.

Where we are in 2020 from the BBC...

‘Barnier was ‘in good spirits’ when reported back to EU ambassadors this morning on state of play in negotiations ongoing in London BUT that he has ‘reached the edges of his mandate’ and has little more room for manoeuvre in talks with U.K. “Only millimetres left”

Of course you’d expect the EU side to say this. But there is a deeply-held belief here that U.K. must now move considerably on 3 STILL OUTSTANDING issues: fish, competition rules, governance- in order for there to be a deal this year

EU countries jumpy about concessions being made to U.K. “This is the painful part” said one EU ambassador BUT I don’t detect mistrust in Barnier and team in my conversations.NB Barnier didn’t ask EU countries for more flexibility in negotiating mandate this morning.

“If he had done, our answer would be clear” EU diplomat told me (ie No). Eu countries impatient with European Commission refusing to publish more details on no deal contingency plans eg on transport, air traffic and aviation security. Commission resisting as don’t want to give U.K. government the impression it can get ‘mini deals’ for free - without signing up to agreed compromises and overall treaty. After months of circular negotiations on key issues, EU attention is now re-focused on Brexit.

“Deal can be done this month .. or next, or next year” said one EU source. But of course it wouldnt be comfortable in the meantime for either side (customs queues, no police and judicial cooperation agreement etc ) and ‘bad blood’ could delay/influence EU decisions outside these trade talks eg on financial services and data exchange regulations, pet travel and access to medical care in the EU for U.K. citizens.’
 
NI Select Committee. Rumours circulating that new customs border between NI and GB will be ‘phased in‘ over a 6 month period, bit like the GB/EU border will be ‘phased in’ on the GB side because we are no where near ready. Whether EU countries like France ‘phase in‘ their side of the border remains to be seen, depends how much ‘goodwill’ remains if there is no deal. Spoiler: Not much.

HMRC says that it expects 11m customs declarations on trade of goods from Great Britain to Northern Ireland.

MP response: “bloody hell. That's a heck of a lot"
 
mcfc1632 said:
Hey - unlike some on here (not aimed at you) - I read a wide range of views and take them as inputs - not just inputs that fuel my pre-disposition

But I form my own views which I just lamely regurgitate;-)
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Fixed. ;-)
 
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