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I was brought up in a Labour Party supporting family and remember the 3 day week, bread strikes, the winter of discontent and bodies not being buried. My teenage years saw Thatcherism and I was indoctrinated to hate her. I joined the Army at the height of the Miners' Strike as there was no opportunities for young people from the north. The 1st thing I remember my platoon sergeant saying was that once you've served your country you will all vote conservative. At the time I remember hating him and thinking he was an arrogant sod. Strange how with maturity and considered hindsight I now realise that all those problems of the 70's and Thatcher's medicine of the 80's were caused by socialism and its failed ideologies. The Labour Party of post war Britain has long evaporated into a haven for liberal idiots to voice their nonsense policies that no longer identify with the British working class. In effect, that British working class man is now the new conservative. I include myself amongst them and if you had told me that 40 years since I'd have said you were lying. In effect, where once Conservatives were considered to represent those of privilege and Labour those of limited outlook, the argument has now become about people's view of their nation. Conservatives are proud of Britain, its history and what it stands for. Labour Party supporters have no pride in their country and could not raise a bloody pitchfork if Hitler was robbing their home. It's as simple as that, there are no shades of grey, you either support your nation's efforts or you vote Labour.
 
UsFansKnowNowt said:
I was brought up in a Labour Party supporting family and remember the 3 day week, bread strikes, the winter of discontent and bodies not being buried. My teenage years saw Thatcherism and I was indoctrinated to hate her. I joined the Army at the height of the Miners' Strike as there was no opportunities for young people from the north. The 1st thing I remember my platoon sergeant saying was that once you've served your country you will all vote conservative. At the time I remember hating him and thinking he was an arrogant sod. Strange how with maturity and considered hindsight I now realise that all those problems of the 70's and Thatcher's medicine of the 80's were caused by socialism and its failed ideologies. The Labour Party of post war Britain has long evaporated into a haven for liberal idiots to voice their nonsense policies that no longer identify with the British working class. In effect, that British working class man is now the new conservative. I include myself amongst them and if you had told me that 40 years since I'd have said you were lying. In effect, where once Conservatives were considered to represent those of privilege and Labour those of limited outlook, the argument has now become about people's view of their nation. Conservatives are proud of Britain, its history and what it stands for. Labour Party supporters have no pride in their country and could not raise a bloody pitchfork if Hitler was robbing their home. It's as simple as that, there are no shades of grey, you either support your nation's efforts or you vote Labour.
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I think you’re on the wrong thread mate. This is the Brexit one.
 
UsFansKnowNowt said:
I was brought up in a Labour Party supporting family and remember the 3 day week, bread strikes, the winter of discontent and bodies not being buried. My teenage years saw Thatcherism and I was indoctrinated to hate her. I joined the Army at the height of the Miners' Strike as there was no opportunities for young people from the north. The 1st thing I remember my platoon sergeant saying was that once you've served your country you will all vote conservative. At the time I remember hating him and thinking he was an arrogant sod. Strange how with maturity and considered hindsight I now realise that all those problems of the 70's and Thatcher's medicine of the 80's were caused by socialism and its failed ideologies. The Labour Party of post war Britain has long evaporated into a haven for liberal idiots to voice their nonsense policies that no longer identify with the British working class. In effect, that British working class man is now the new conservative. I include myself amongst them and if you had told me that 40 years since I'd have said you were lying. In effect, where once Conservatives were considered to represent those of privilege and Labour those of limited outlook, the argument has now become about people's view of their nation. Conservatives are proud of Britain, its history and what it stands for. Labour Party supporters have no pride in their country and could not raise a bloody pitchfork if Hitler was robbing their home. It's as simple as that, there are no shades of grey, you either support your nation's efforts or you vote Labour.
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or just spout utter nonsense - the choice is yours and this nonsense is yours. Fair play for outing yourself.
 
west didsblue said:
It’ll be stuck on a lorry in Calais anyway.
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There are some excellent British sparkling wines made the the champagne style. Most are from Kent and Sussex so could face a similar problem but they are good thanks to global warming and the fact they sit on the north side of the Paris basin so have chalky soil as in champagne. Look them up there are some great wines - nearly 70% of British wines are sparkling varieties
 
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There are some excellent British sparkling wines made the the champagne style. Most are from Kent and Sussex so could face a similar problem but they are good thanks to global warming and the fact they sit on the north side of the Paris basin so have chalky soil as in champagne. Look them up there are some great wines - nearly 70% of British wines are sparkling varieties
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Hope the vineyards aren’t next to the M20 with amount of piss that will be leaching into the soil from the side of the motorway.
 
Vic said:
I hardly dare hope. Can you imagine getting off the plane and reading that?
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Clearly it’s a huge victory for the UK! Anyone with any insight and understanding would know that but obviously I’m not going to explain why to the peasants.
 
UsFansKnowNowt said:
I was brought up in a Labour Party supporting family and remember the 3 day week, bread strikes, the winter of discontent and bodies not being buried. My teenage years saw Thatcherism and I was indoctrinated to hate her. I joined the Army at the height of the Miners' Strike as there was no opportunities for young people from the north. The 1st thing I remember my platoon sergeant saying was that once you've served your country you will all vote conservative. At the time I remember hating him and thinking he was an arrogant sod. Strange how with maturity and considered hindsight I now realise that all those problems of the 70's and Thatcher's medicine of the 80's were caused by socialism and its failed ideologies. The Labour Party of post war Britain has long evaporated into a haven for liberal idiots to voice their nonsense policies that no longer identify with the British working class. In effect, that British working class man is now the new conservative. I include myself amongst them and if you had told me that 40 years since I'd have said you were lying. In effect, where once Conservatives were considered to represent those of privilege and Labour those of limited outlook, the argument has now become about people's view of their nation. Conservatives are proud of Britain, its history and what it stands for. Labour Party supporters have no pride in their country and could not raise a bloody pitchfork if Hitler was robbing their home. It's as simple as that, there are no shades of grey, you either support your nation's efforts or you vote Labour.
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Looks like Worsley has got another account.
 
mat said:
Boris wants to the EU to walk away so he can play the victim. They aren't.

They are taking the piss out of all of us.

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I‘m certainly not his biggest fan but watching Boris today... I’m not sure whether he’s recovered from having Covid.... he looked all over the place. I don’t think he answered any of the questions. I know politicians rarely do but at one point he admitted he’d forgotten the question. He looks completely out of his depth, setting aside party politics he's a dreadful leader and wholly unsuited to this predicament.
 
mat said:
Looks like Worsley has got another account.
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There have been questions about what was on the Referendum ballot paper. There have been some suggestions of what was implied. Only a special few across social media have claimed it was a test of one's patriotism. And they only started suggesting that when it became clear it was not going to be what they wanted then it was going to be shit show. The narrative had to be changed or the only other option was admit it. Patriotism always was the last refuge of the scoundrel.
 
nmc said:
I‘m certainly not his biggest fan but watching Boris today... I’m not sure whether he’s recovered from having Covid.... he looked all over the place. I don’t think he answered any of the questions. I know politicians rarely do but at one point he admitted he’d forgotten the question. He looks completely out of his depth, setting aside party politics he's a dreadful leader and wholly unsuited to this predicament.
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He is recovered - he has insisted he has - he has been photographed doing pressups to prove it - he has challenged Starmer to a pressup-off and he has told us he is " as fit as 10 butchers dogs ".

You have arrived at the stark realisation that many of us have - he is out of his depth. Some of us were saying this before he became leader of his party - welcome though - its frightening eh?
 
Wonder why we are where we are? Exhibit A. Lying Tory Eton educated toffs who thought that because they could dazzle and outwit the gullible here they could pull the same trick on the EU. They got the bums rush.

 
Vic said:
I hardly dare hope. Can you imagine getting off the plane and reading that?
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Johnson wants that sweet, sweet deal. But only on the last day of the year so no one can point out it’s a crock of shit. Still better than nowt, I guess.
 
More good news, we‘ve agreed to stump up the cash for participation in the Horizon Science program.

Gove confirms UK and EU have agreed research part of deal: Minister says terms of Horizon participation agreed, raising hopes of collaboration if Brexit talks fail. @ResearchFortnight
 
BobKowalski said:
Johnson wants that sweet, sweet deal. But only on the last day of the year so no one can point out it’s a crock of shit. Still better than nowt, I guess.
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I do hope the EU string him along until the 30th Dec and then turn all the phones off so the 31st is just fucking panic for him - play him at his own game of brinksmanship
 
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