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Ancient Citizen said:
What? Are you just making this up, we appear to have tariff free SM access, and are out of the CU and ECJ, if what's being said occurs. Every remainer and his dog has been saying there'd be no chance of this happening, yet it looks
like it will, if it does, what you say is nonsense.
If none of this happens, and we remain in the Single Market and Customs union, and the ECJ has oversight of the UK, you may have a point.
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So we are a bit worse off than Turkey who have access to the SM and are in a CU with the EU?
 
Mëtal Bikër said:
Which we won't disagree with, so I fail to see the issue.

You don't expect the EU to create regulations on standards that we in the UK would need to disagree with, do you? I'm sure the Canadians and Japanese, for example, have that same level of trust.

It's their trade union, so it's their standards.
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Well that sums it up. We're not going to disagree but we can't have the EJC as arbiters for when we disagree, which we won't.
 
Tb1981 said:
Is the the same farage that led a brexit party to zero seats in the last election while Boris walked it!
Stop, let’s change narrative from Boris being elected on the basis of getting a deal (which he now has) to farage again.
The remainers may well shout the loudest, but the electorate have now twice spoken and it looks like Boris May have delivered for the majority of them
Why on earth the remainers are now disappointed on behalf of farage I’m not sure.
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Because we wanted to be like Norway, like he said.
 
west didsblue said:
Just about sums it up. One was going to crack open the champagne and at least two others had their fingers crossed for No Deal. Most are now declaring satisfaction with the deal without knowing the details. You have to laugh.
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Erm the champagne post was an obvious quip so either

You're daft, dishonest or just like a moan for no apparent reason. I think this nonsense was forecast by my good self. Some of you can't help but not disappoint.

As a democrat(you will need to probably look that up) which was one of the main reasons I voted leave it would be hypocritical for me to see my arse if only a couple of us would have been happy with no deal.

Getting ones own way is trait shown by some bluemoon remainers not leavers. At some point it might be best to let it go fella.
 
Ancient Citizen said:
What? Are you just making this up, we appear to have tariff free SM access, and are out of the CU and ECJ, if what's being said occurs. Every remainer and his dog has been saying there'd be no chance of this happening, yet it looks
like it will, if it does, what you say is nonsense.
If none of this happens, and we remain in the Single Market and Customs union, and the ECJ has oversight of the UK, you may have a point.
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We have regulatory allignment and a mechanism by which we get policed by the EU. If we do not stay alligned then we get hit with tariffs. Add in the fact we have surendered NI and have agreed to an internal regulatory border (policed by the EU) then its pretty much the shit deal that could have been done a year ago. We have gained nothing - the outcome is a shit deal. Its bad for business and bad for the long term union. Scotland wont want this shit and neither will some hardline brexiteers. And a shit storm of red tape and adminiostrative burdon and cost awaits.

The question is will it get through and how long will it last? This is not a long term solution because it's the awful outcome that remainers claimed would happen and the one brexiteers denied. Its the definition of a shit deal - we are subservent to EU rules in order or maintain free market access - the logical conclusion is you are better off a member where you get to set the rules - not just take the rules.
 
Gaudion M said:
We have regulatory allignment and a mechanism by which we get policed by the EU. If we do not stay alligned then we get hit with tariffs. Add in the fact we have surendered NI and have agreed to an internal regulatory border (policed by the EU) then its pretty much the shit deal that could have been done a year ago. We have gained nothing - the outcome is a shit deal. Its bad for business and bad for the long term union. Scotland wont want this shit and neither will some hardline brexiteers. And a shit storm of red tape and adminiostrative burdon and cost awaits.

The question is will it get through and how long will it last? This is not a long term solution because it's the awful outcome that remainers claimed would happen and the one brexiteers denied. Its the definition of a shit deal - we are subservent to EU rules in order or maintain free market access - the logical conclusion is you are better off a member where you get to set the rules - not just take the rules.
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The logical conclusion for you, is that what you mean?

Doesn’t matter what the deal was you’d be unhappy. Unless it was remain. Leavers have got most things that they wanted (pretty much all the main points that we discussed during elections and votes)
 
Mëtal Bikër said:
What rules. Rules about trade regulations? What regulations would we not entrust that we would not agree to?

Unless you mean those other rules such as how much each member pays into the club, how much they should contribute to the upcoming EDF, which national laws must become secondary to the authority of the EU Parliament? Thankfully, they can sort that political mess amongst themselves.

We're no longer going to be enabling them. We had a say, and it was often ignored. That is what has led to today.
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Mëtal Bikër said:
But why would the EU ever do such a horrid thing? They never have before.
You make it sound like we were constantly at odds with what the EU was doing.
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Am I missing something? Is this just contradictory or supposed to be confusingly ironic?
 
Ancient Citizen said:
What? Are you just making this up, we appear to have tariff free SM access, and are out of the CU and ECJ, if what's being said occurs. Every remainer and his dog has been saying there'd be no chance of this happening, yet it looks
like it will, if it does, what you say is nonsense.
If none of this happens, and we remain in the Single Market and Customs union, and the ECJ has oversight of the UK, you may have a point.
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Just to correct you again mate it's price tariff free access subject to lots of strings attached like the non price tariff barriers ( rules of origin etc) which lead to border checks and paperwork and could adversely affect just in time induxtrieslike automotive etc.
Oh and then there's the LPF rules.
Oh and it only applies to goods not services ( including financial services), which is actually better for the EU ' cos they have a surplus in goods trade with us.
Not to mention we had to hive off NI, something BoJo said no PM could ever contemplate ( until he did).
Apart from that yeah, tariff free SM access.
 
hilts said:
Erm the champagne post was an obvious quip so either

You're daft, dishonest or just like a moan for no apparent reason. I think this nonsense was forecast by my good self. Some of you can't help but not disappoint.

As a democrat(you will need to probably look that up) which was one of the main reasons I voted leave it would be hypocritical for me to see my arse if only a couple of us would have been happy with no deal.

Getting ones own way is trait shown by some bluemoon remainers not leavers. At some point it might be best to let it go fella.
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Not moaning mate, just laughing.
 
I guess the hope is the adults in the room managed to at least negotiate a good enough deal that we can get by, as Boris would obviously have signed anything to get his last minute moment.
 
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Cheadle_hulmeBlue said:
The logical conclusion for you, is that what you mean?

Doesn’t matter what the deal was you’d be unhappy. Unless it was remain. Leavers have got most things that they wanted (pretty much all the main points that we discussed during elections and votes)
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No, this deal is no where near what the Leave Campaign promised, unless you think the Leave Campaign promised increased trade barriers, an internal customs border between GB and NI, and a 2,000 page deal still being haggled over with 7 days to go for businesses to adjust to a new customs and regulatory regime on which they have zero information.

This isn’t even what Johnson promised in the election campaign with his ‘oven ready deal’ and no checks or customs border between GB and NI.

The deal is as a failure based on what was promised in 2016, and the outcome in terms of our compromised sovereignty with NI is a failure for our own Union.

The only positive is the uptick in turd polishing and memory wipes.
 
BobKowalski said:
No, this deal is no where near what the Leave Campaign promised, unless you think the Leave Campaign promised increased trade barriers, an internal customs border between GB and NI, and a 2,000 page deal still being haggled over with 7 days to go for businesses to adjust to a new customs and regulatory regime on which they have zero information.

This isn’t even what Johnson promised in the election campaign with his ‘oven ready deal’ and no checks or customs border between GB and NI.

The deal is as a failure based on what was promised in 2016, and the outcome in terms of our compromised sovereignty with NI is a failure for our own Union.

The only positive is the uptick in turd polishing and memory wipes.
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And better than no deal at all....
TBF, I think from what I understand it’s more than I expected. Free trade deal with an independent arbitration for disputes.
 
dear oh dear our world class testing services are so good the French have sent a team of firefighters to Dover to test stranded lorry drivers.......we can't feed them, we can't water them, we can't offer them a bog to shit in and now we can't test them - taking back control never looked so good
 
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