Another new Brexit thread

[Ancient Citizen]

Well there's Thee Mail as well

UK economy set to storm ahead of France after Brexit transition

Britain will retain its status as the world's fifth largest economy after the Brexit transition ends and remain close to the top of growth tables, making it 23 per cent larger than France's by 2035, experts said.

www.dailymail.co.uk

And the CEBR forcast should he wish to pay a subscription to recieve their forecasts then he can read the report himself.

It's like plaiting soot.
Mind you, the desperation and delving going on, the frantic rush to try and
convince the winners that they've lost again, the posts saying we're still in the EU, but claiming we're not, just for the craic, like, are a laugh a minute.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

If that's all it takes them I'm surprised there was so much fuss about how impossible trade deals would be. Still, I share your positivity that it appears so. I'm just glad this brexit buisness is all over now, bar a bit of internal angst Sir Kier needs to sort out in his party.

Amazing hey? We were saying that for years.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

No.

Parliament could have ignored the narrow result of an advisory referendum.

Sadly we are all going to pay the price and no amount of bullshit from you or your pals at the Telegraph, Mail, Express, Spectator et al is going to change it.

Lol.
That you actually suggest, and probably believe, that the day after the referendum results came in, the govt, whoever it was, would just say.
'Nah, sorry, it was just for a laugh, we're not leaving the EU,' then
it's no wonder you've had no idea what's been going on.

 

[Vic]

What are you talking about ffs, there's a piece in the Telegraph about it, there will almost certainly be others, are you saying I'm lying about it?

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www.telegraph.co.uk

UK economy set to storm ahead of France after Brexit transition

Britain will retain its status as the world's fifth largest economy after the Brexit transition ends and remain close to the top of growth tables, making it 23 per cent larger than France's by 2035, experts said.

www.dailymail.co.uk

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news.turkish.co.uk

UK economy is set to storm ahead of France after Brexit transition and 'will be 23% bigger than theirs by 2035' - NewsBreak

Britain's status as the world's fifth-largest economy will remain intact next year in spite of the shock caused by the pandemic and leaving the European Un

www.newsbreak.com

Now, if you want to find others, please help yourself.

You'll find articles like this from Iceland to the Russian border.

I'm saying you obviously don't understand the word "source".

City beat Newcastle 2-0. If I report that we lost 2-0, I'm the source of a falsehood, and it wouldn't matter how many people repeat it, it would not make it true.

The only thing I can see in the report to explain the figure is projected UK growth of 4% a year till 2025 but they don't explain that and they don't give a figure for France for those years. After 2025 it's 1.7/1.8% for both. At least I looked for an explanation rather than just looking for different media quoting the same source.

To labour the point: apart from the CEBR report itself, you've got nothing.

 

[Vic]

Gove now making a virtue of extra customs red tape by saying firms having to do this to export to the EU will be "match fit" for exporting around the world.

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

Gove now making a virtue of extra customs red tape by saying firms having to do this to export to the EU will be "match fit" for exporting around the world.

He's lying through his teeth (again) he's now saying that the Common Fisheries Policy led to a decline in the Fishing Industry, when it was the Tories who fought the trawler owners in court in 2012 for a decision on who owns the quotas . When the courts decided it was the Government that owned them , under the guise of British Fisheries, they promptly sold those quotas to foreign ships.

Tories create a problem

Listen to the noise created by the problem.

Throw a load of money at the problem in an effort to solve the problem

Claim the praise for solving the problem that they created in the first place.

Rinse and Repeat.

 

[Len Rum]

He's lying through his teeth (again) he's now saying that the Common Fisheries Policy led to a decline in the Fishing Industry, when it was the Tories who fought the trawler owners in court in 2012 for a decision on who owns the quotas . When the courts decided it was the Government that owned them , under the guise of British Fisheries, they promptly sold those quotas to foreign ships.

Tories create a problem

Listen to the noise created by the problem.

Throw a load of money at the problem in an effort to solve the problem

Claim the praise for solving the problem that they created in the first place.

Rinse and Repeat.

WhereTF is Nige?
His big test on sovereignty was the UK having sole access and rights to fish in the UK's territorial waters.
And yet as the fishing industry complains bitterly about being sold out by the Govt. In the deal he's nowhere to be seen.
Come on Nige let's be 'avin you!

 

[Metal Biker]

Lol.
That you actually suggest, and probably believe, that the day after the referendum results came in, the govt, whoever it was, would just say.
'Nah, sorry, it was just for a laugh, we're not leaving the EU,' then
it's no wonder you've had no idea what's been going on.

Makes you wonder what they think the reaction from the Government would have been had it returned a narrow remain result.

Spending all that money on a "waste of time"?

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

WhereTF is Nige?
His big test on sovereignty was the UK having sole access and rights to fish in the UK's territorial waters.
And yet as the fishing industry complains bitterly about being sold out by the Govt. In the deal he's nowhere to be seen.
Come on Nige let's be 'avin you!

Watch for the New Years honours list.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

I'm saying you obviously don't understand the word "source".

City beat Newcastle 2-0. If I report that we lost 2-0, I'm the source of a falsehood, and it wouldn't matter how many people repeat it, it would not make it true.

The only thing I can see in the report to explain the figure is projected UK growth of 4% a year till 2025 but they don't explain that and they don't give a figure for France for those years. After 2025 it's 1.7/1.8% for both. At least I looked for an explanation rather than just looking for different media quoting the same source.

To labour the point: apart from the CEBR report itself, you've got nothing.

And to finalise this cobblers once and for all, neither have the treasury, whose record with this prediction lark is abysmal, so your Mystic Meg isn't better than any of the others.
These ludicrous, and frankly pointless attempts to try and tell us that we've not got what we wanted is desperation on speed, so please forgive us if we disregard all forecasts. You, and many others have been telling us for years that we'd never get a trade deal, that we'd end up in the single market, that they would tie us to the ECJ, and other such nonsense, and that
the EU would never agree to what's just been achieved.
Well they did, we have, and everyone I know who voted out is happy about it, but carry on saying we're not, if it helps.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

Makes you wonder what they think the reaction from the Government would have been had it returned a narrow remain result.

Spending all that money on a "waste of time"?

Can you imagine remain voters being told that a successful referendum in their favour would just be ignored and actually rescinded?
Some of the insanity on here is mind boggling.

 

[Metal Biker]

And to finalise this cobblers once and for all, neither have the treasury, whose record with this prediction lark is abysmal, so your Mystic Meg isn't better than any of the others.
These ludicrous, and frankly pointless attempts to try and tell us that we've not got what we wanted is desperation on speed, so please forgive us if we disregard all forecasts. You, and many others have been telling us for years that we'd never get a trade deal, that we'd end up in the single market, that they would tie us to the ECJ, and other such nonsense, and that
the EU would never agree to what's just been achieved.
Well they did, we have, and everyone I know who voted out is happy about it, but carry on saying we're not, if it helps.

I remember quite distinctly how we were all told that "all those trade arrangements we had with the EU" would be gone once we left.

Since then, we've re-arranged those trade arrangements and continuing the partnership with those same nations, and they themselves are stating that these arrangements aren't examples of "new deals" but the continuation of existing ones we had with the EU; the same 'deals' they said we'd lose by leaving the EU!

This is joyous to behold.

 

[Cheesy]

As I've mentioned before, I'd rather we hadn't left the EU however we have. It's done and what I Ian't quite get my head around some people seemingly wanting the country to fail now we're out of the EU. Some seem to actually revel in any news/opinion that portrays a bleak future for us.

 

[Vic]

And to finalise this cobblers once and for all, neither have the treasury, whose record with this prediction lark is abysmal, so your Mystic Meg isn't better than any of the others.
These ludicrous, and frankly pointless attempts to try and tell us that we've not got what we wanted is desperation on speed, so please forgive us if we disregard all forecasts. You, and many others have been telling us for years that we'd never get a trade deal, that we'd end up in the single market, that they would tie us to the ECJ, and other such nonsense, and that
the EU would never agree to what's just been achieved.
Well they did, we have, and everyone I know who voted out is happy about it, but carry on saying we're not, if it helps.

"...forgive us if we disregard all forecasts..."

Except one that reckons the UK is going to outgrow France. You didn't disregard that. That's the sound of goalposts being moved.

 

[Metal Biker]

As I've mentioned before, I'd rather we hadn't left the EU however we have. It's done and what I Ian't quite get my head around some people seemingly wanting the country to fail now we're out of the EU. Some seem to actually revel in any news/opinion that portrays a bleak future for us.

I'm quite happy that the deal is the sort of compromise that reflects the attitude and opinion of the nation. We've left the political aspect, but kept the economic worries at bay by agreeing a deal.

For a lot of us, brexit has been over for a long time and was officially over in January 2020 when we were no longer a member. Why people are still beating the 'brexit' drum is anyone's guess. Could we rejoin in the future? Most definitely, but us rejoining is nothing to do with 'brexit' and the majority of discussions and opinions on here continue to centre around the leave decision and their thoughts on how bad things will be. The UK failing would reinforce that opinion and they can have their "I told you so!" moment... on a football forums political thread, to an audience of about (max) 20 contributors.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

As I've mentioned before, I'd rather we hadn't left the EU however we have. It's done and what I Ian't quite get my head around some people seemingly wanting the country to fail now we're out of the EU. Some seem to actually revel in any news/opinion that portrays a bleak future for us.

Some have actually been hoping that we fail, and grasp any negatives available, no matter how vague, or spurious they are. That, for me, shows a dislike of their country and its citizens, and it's an attitude beyond comprehension, just decamp if you hate it so much.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

"...forgive us if we disregard all forecasts..."

Except one that reckons the UK is going to outgrow France. You didn't disregard that. That's the sound of goalposts being moved.

You, or yours were the ones putting forecasts up, it was simply countered with another. Disregard both, you'll get over it.

 

[Tb1981]

As I've mentioned before, I'd rather we hadn't left the EU however we have. It's done and what I Ian't quite get my head around some people seemingly wanting the country to fail now we're out of the EU. Some seem to actually revel in any news/opinion that portrays a bleak future for us.

They don’t just revel in it they go out of their way to find these negative articles.
It’s very sad really. To actually want your country to fail just to win an argument.

 

[blueparrot]

You're assuming that this 'Imperfect' deal will be amended, possibly, by some future govt. I would imagine that before any changes are made, the govt would need to explain exactly what needs change, and why. As far as I can see, this deal will fly through because it satisfies Brexit, so what needs to change? If it's in the hope that somehow we'll rejoin the SM, or any other feature, that would, imo, ensure that govt would not be re elected, so I'm at a loss
to fathom exactly what would be changed.

It’s a fair assumption considering, firstly this isn’t the complete deal.There’s still stuff to negotiate. Secondly , I haven’t read it but the chances of getting everything right first go are slim, thirdly the chances of Johnson understanding the deal anymore than he understood the WA are zero. Like the WA he’ll find things he doesn’t like.
That’s before we get to see any unforeseen effects of details in the deal.
Yes it will go through but not because opposition parties like it, and wouldn’t want to make changes if elected.Satisfying brexit is a meaningless as brexit means brexit.
No need to fathom what would be changed to know for a fact things will be changed. Whether towards more integration towards s.m or less integration doesn’t matter it will change or be replaced at some point.

 

[Metal Biker]

They don’t just revel in it they go out of their way to find these negative articles.
It’s very sad really. To actually want your country to fail just to win an argument.

With all those counter-positive articles out there, by various sources, I am astonished that they've never, not once, posted one of these positive articles as they search for news about 'brexit'. Unless they are as you say, actively ONLY searching for anything negative about the UK's post-EU future.

They've all let their masks slip these past few months; no-one believes them when they say they 'care' about the UK, it's citizens and economy. Several of them are even advocating the break up of the UK, FFS!