Another new Brexit thread

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Ancient Citizen said:
I'm boasting about nothing, just pointing out that this particular aspect of Brexit has been shoved down our throats by naysayers for years, in that it would cease, and travel To EU countries meant it stops.
And reciprocal agreements existed before we joined the EU, so it's a benefit
we had before, during, and now after membership.
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As I said,like most of Breaxit not as bad as it could have been, just a bit worse than before.

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Ancient Citizen said:
Just go to Gov UK, it's all there, don't worry your hols are covered.
And the benefit is that any fears you had by listening to the wrong predictions,
have now all disappeared.
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I do wonder if despite all the dramatic sunny uplands / apocalypse hysteria most of us will actually not notice any particular difference after Jan? Ever since 2016 there has been a repeating cycle of cliff-edge dire predictions that have all turned out to be rubbish as well as some equally exaggerated claims of brexit benefits. In truth f-all seems to be different for anyone. I'm sure there are outliers and examples of individual hardship and tragedy btw and don't wish to make light of them, but in general terms life seems to just trundle on.
 
117 M34 said:
Hypothetically mine runs out on January 2nd.
I'm hypothetically not alright jack.
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Well, hypothetically, you'd have exactly the same problem in the EU, in that
you still travel, but if you found yourself in hospital, you'd apply for a provisional certificate, which provides exactly the same cover. Forgetting to renew cards causes the exact same (minor) inconvenience as before, try not
to forget to renew, just like your passport, really.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
I've had a brief poke at this thing about Patel bringing back the death penalty as it sounds quite alarming to anyone with a shred of humanity. Happily it seems it isn't at all true. I was alarmed to discover though that polling suggests almost 66%of Tories and about 31% of Labour MP's support it. I suppose in some ways it's only a slight ideological gear change from accepting abortion and self or assisted euthanasia so never say never.
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Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
I do wonder if despite all the dramatic sunny uplands / apocalypse hysteria most of us will actually not notice any particular difference after Jan? Ever since 2016 there has been a repeating cycle of cliff-edge dire predictions that have all turned out to be rubbish as well as some equally exaggerated claims of brexit benefits. In truth f-all seems to be different for anyone. I'm sure there are outliers and examples of individual hardship and tragedy btw and don't wish to make light of them, but in general terms life seems to just trundle on.
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So, zero tariffs, zero quotas, access to the single market, no ECJ jurisdiction, no EU regulations and no membership fees, and just for one particular member, the UK stays in a free trade zone that extends from Iceland to Russia. I’m happy with the outcome.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
I've had a brief poke at this thing about Patel bringing back the death penalty as it sounds quite alarming to anyone with a shred of humanity. Happily it seems it isn't at all true. I was alarmed to discover though that polling suggests almost 66%of Tories and about 31% of Labour MP's support it. I suppose in some ways it's only a slight ideological gear change from accepting abortion and self or assisted euthanasia so never say never.
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Thing is .... the Death Penalty is not a deterrent .... The UK suspended the Death sentence for a five years in the 60's and the homicide rate stayed exactly the same as when the Death Penalty was in place.(the results were the main driver for abolishing it) The only fall in deaths that were achieved was that we didn't hang anyone who was innocent
 
Ifwecouldjust....... said:
Thing is .... the Death Penalty is not a deterrent .... The UK suspended the Death sentence for a five years in the 60's and the homicide rate stayed exactly the same as when the Death Penalty was in place.(the results were the main driver for abolishing it) The only fall in deaths that were achieved was that we didn't hang anyone who was innocent
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I'm not arguing for the death penalty mate, my point is I don't think it's seriously on the cards at all.
 
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Ifwecouldjust....... said:
Apparently the Eu has ensured that post Brexit UK will respect human rights by building a clause that Eu -UK agreements would be voided if the UK government leaves or violates ECHR.....

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So Batty Patels proposal of bringing back the death sentence looks like a non starter.

What are Europeans like eh? Protecting us from the Tories even after we've left.
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Let's just check -what you are saying here

You genuinely believe that the UK are going to bring back the death penalty and that the UK is going to leave the ECHR

That is really what you are saying?
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
Indeed. Although execution is forever.

The deal softens the blow that we have to suffer and time will tell how badly people will be affected, but as long as the deal gets voted through, the worst case scenario is kicked into the tall grass for a while.
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Remaining? BRINO? ;-)
 
hgblue said:
So, zero tariffs, zero quotas, access to the single market, no ECJ jurisdiction, no EU regulations and no membership fees, and just for one particular member, the UK stays in a free trade zone that extends from Iceland to Russia. I’m happy with the outcome.
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Thank you. Not as good as the one we've had but a FTZ all the same. I've just no time for people like Gove who made the promise, then supported the No Deal option till March last year when he was against No Deal because it was not what was promised, but then forgot about the promise again. But if I got upset about Gove's duplicity and hypocrisy I'd be permanently upset.
 
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