Another new Brexit thread

[BobKowalski]

Always good to see a physical border disappear...a Brexit benefit :)

 

[blueparrot]

Always good to see a physical border disappear...a Brexit benefit :)

Lucky bastards.

 

[west didsblue]

Lucky bastards.

Seems of the four home nations plus Gibraltar, 4 out of 5 are getting what they voted for. NI and Gib effectively staying in the EU. England and Wales leaving, and just Scotland being forced out against its will. So much for the “United” Kingdom.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

Always good to see a physical border disappear...a Brexit benefit :)

Brilliant, I'll believe it when I see it though. I lived / worked there for a while (during our EU membership) and the Spanish generally operate that border like the eurovision song contest voting system. Generally avoided it during buisness hours or if the Gibraltar 'issue' was in the headlines. Well worth popping across the border at night for drinks and seafood tapas.

 

[Vic]

It looks like the Gib deal pleases everyone. Leavers because they've avoided the worst effects of Brexit proving Brexit isn't that bad, and Remainers because they've avoided the worst effects of a stupid Brexit.

Anti colonials will like it as it makes it more likely we'll end up giving Gibraltar back to Spain. I used to think we could give them Gib and we'd have Menorca back (the only place I know with a plaque to celebrate the arrival of the British) but I think they'd be less keen now on being British outside the EU.

But have I got it right? Flying into Gib, EU citizens won't have border control but Brits will? I assume there would have to be checks otherwise Brits would just choose the Schengen exit.....

 

[Vic]

Seems of the four home nations plus Gibraltar, 4 out of 5 are getting what they voted for. NI and Gib effectively staying in the EU. England and Wales leaving, and just Scotland being forced out against its will. So much for the “United” Kingdom.

Wales was only for Leave because of all the English retired there.

 

[GH64]

It looks like the Gib deal pleases everyone. Leavers because they've avoided the worst effects of Brexit proving Brexit isn't that bad, and Remainers because they've avoided the worst effects of a stupid Brexit.

Anti colonials will like it as it makes it more likely we'll end up giving Gibraltar back to Spain. I used to think we could give them Gib and we'd have Menorca back (the only place I know with a plaque to celebrate the arrival of the British) but I think they'd be less keen now on being British outside the EU.

But have I got it right? Flying into Gib, EU citizens won't have border control but Brits will? I assume there would have to be checks otherwise Brits would just choose the Schengen exit.....

Anyone flying in from somewhere else in the Shengen area won't have passport control. Brits, EU member state citizens, South Africans, Americans.
Anyone flying in from outside Shengen area will go through passport control. So a Spaniard flying in from London, or a Brit from London.
Like now.

UK is still in a common travel area with Ireland, as before.

 

[Ban-jani]

It looks like the Gib deal pleases everyone. Leavers because they've avoided the worst effects of Brexit proving Brexit isn't that bad, and Remainers because they've avoided the worst effects of a stupid Brexit.

Anti colonials will like it as it makes it more likely we'll end up giving Gibraltar back to Spain. I used to think we could give them Gib and we'd have Menorca back (the only place I know with a plaque to celebrate the arrival of the British) but I think they'd be less keen now on being British outside the EU.

But have I got it right? Flying into Gib, EU citizens won't have border control but Brits will? I assume there would have to be checks otherwise Brits would just choose the Schengen exit.....

No chance Gib goes back, they’re 90%+ in favour of staying as they are, they’ve entered schengen to maintain the open border.

 

[BobKowalski]

Brilliant, I'll believe it when I see it though. I lived / worked there for a while (during our EU membership) and the Spanish generally operate that border like the eurovision song contest voting system. Generally avoided it during buisness hours or if the Gibraltar 'issue' was in the headlines. Well worth popping across the border at night for drinks and seafood tapas.

The Spanish will not be manning the border, it will be Frontex, the EU border force, making this the first internal border manned by the EU.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

The Spanish will not be manning the border, it will be Frontex, the EU border force, making this the first internal border manned by the EU.

Good. Hopefully in a more adult way than the Spanish. This is the sort of area where the EU can actually rise above its usual 'chocolate fireguard' level of usefulness.

 

[GH64]

There you go.
https://nation.cymru/news/wales-brexit-vote-caused-by-english-retirees-oxford-university/
Any other lies you want evidence about?

Wales vote was 854K to 772K, so if you analyse it out:
Around 650,000 of the people living in Wales were born in the UK (number from his paper), so if they voted the same as Cornwall (57/43) (the most pro Brexit region) and you adjust for turnout (71% in Wales) they would have still voted Brexit. (change is 65,000 votes) This includes people who moved there are children and no doubt identify as Welsh, and assumes none of the 650,000 are children. So he might not be right.
Looking at what he has written there is a thin line between politics and geography there days. Nothing about oxbow lakes in his stuff.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

Wales vote was 854K to 772K, so if you analyse it out:
Around 650,000 of the people living in Wales were born in the UK (number from his paper), so if they voted the same as Cornwall (57/43) (the most pro Brexit region) and you adjust for turnout (71% in Wales) they would have still voted Brexit. (change is 65,000 votes) This includes people who moved there are children and no doubt identify as Welsh, and assumes none of the 650,000 are children. So he might not be right.
Looking at what he has written there is a thin line between politics and geography there days. Nothing about oxbow lakes in his stuff.

I suppose the key thing is that you have to extract a region from the UK for its vote to be taken in isolation, otherwise the newly independent Boroughs of Richmond or Islington would be rejoining tomorrow.

 

[Ric]

Tidied up a load of nonsense from earlier tonight, but think now is a sensible time to lock it anyway, not least because of some ongoing technical issues which I assume are related to the sheer size of the thread. Plus there’s no way I’m spending NYE monitoring it. Happy New Year to everyone.