Any Regrets...?

Blair and Brown had favourable ratings of positivity that the narcissistic liar nor any other Tory leader since could dream off, but they failed to change the country and rid it of neo-liberalism. They could have halted the move towards where we are today but failed. Blair never restored Union power as promised, Brown cut taxes and both were comfortable with the EU and failed to forsee the effects of freedom of movement on an insular nation.

With the majority Blair had he could have achieved so much more, but he was politically naive and pandered to the RW media, he put his own personal ratings above the needs of the people who voted for him. Of course he and Brown did good things and i am a great admirer of Gordon Brown, but they failed and their brand of third way centrism opened the door for the right wing to go further right and we are now suffering the effects of their failure. They could have moved the Overton window significantly leftwards but didn't because Social Democrats are not Democratic Socialists.

If you feel my point is bizarre, that is fine as i was not complaining, i was opining about what could have been and what I would like our country to be. If you disagree with what i want the country to be then your reading of history differs from mine, that is all. We will of course never know, but what I do know is I regret voting for Blair.
If you and enough others hadn’t voted for Blair then the Tories would have won the 1997 and subsequent elections. Do you think the country would have been in a better place if that were the case?
 
That saddens me more than if you had admitted you had voted for the BNP.

My grandfather, a desert rat, fought the war so we could vote, we could remain a democracy and not slide into authoritarian rule. Every person who does not use their democratic mandate increases the likelihood of authoritarianism.

I am a lefty to my core but I would rather you voted for the Tories than not vote at all.
You keep voting for for this shower of self interested career politicians who have little interest in running the country compared with feathering their own nests. And that's across the board, left, right middle.

Politics has become entertainment, a popularity contest based on personalities, where its actually the media (and in future the owners of twitter or Facebook etc) who dictate the powers that be. So I will continue to abstain until we have someone who is only interested in doing the actual job, we have that right, and if we all did it then politics would have to change direction.

And in all of Parliament can you think of anyone who is working for the interests of the country above all else? I can think of just a couple, that's shocking. Imo of course.
 
You keep voting for for this shower of self interested career politicians who have little interest in running the country compared with feathering their own nests. And that's across the board, left, right middle.

Politics has become entertainment, a popularity contest based on personalities, where its actually the media (and in future the owners of twitter or Facebook etc) who dictate the powers that be. So I will continue to abstain until we have someone who is only interested in doing the actual job, we have that right, and if we all did it then politics would have to change direction.

And in all of Parliament can you think of anyone who is working for the interests of the country above all else? I can think of just a couple, that's shocking. Imo of course.
How will you know when someone is only interested in doing the actual job? How do you know the majority don't? Who are the couple you can think of currently working for the interests of the country above all else and how can you tell?
 
How will you know when someone is only interested in doing the actual job? How do you know the majority don't? Who are the couple you can think of currently working for the interests of the country above all else and how can you tell?
Who's more of a politician Boris or corbyn? (though I disliked corbyns beliefs). It's that simple tbh.

Angela raynor, priti Patel, all care about things and work hard to achieve them. How about Theresa May? How does her political work for the country compare with gove? Or hunt, jenrick?

The best politicians usually don't come from private education - University - straight into politics, they need to experience real life like the majority of us.

So, I'm probably going to get hammered for some of those names mentioned but tbh even thatcher was a good politician worked for the country despite the backlash. They're the sort of people I like running things even if I don't agree with them. But some guy made popular by burbling on hignfy or being a "character" I am not interested in. It brings the country down.
 
Who's more of a politician Boris or corbyn? (though I disliked corbyns beliefs). It's that simple tbh.

Angela raynor, priti Patel, all care about things and work hard to achieve them. How about Theresa May? How does her political work for the country compare with gove? Or hunt, jenrick?

The best politicians usually don't come from private education - University - straight into politics, they need to experience real life like the majority of us.

So, I'm probably going to get hammered for some of those names mentioned but tbh even thatcher was a good politician worked for the country despite the backlash. They're the sort of people I like running things even if I don't agree with them. But some guy made popular by burbling on hignfy or being a "character" I am not interested in. It brings the country down.


I think most of us can deal with a party we mostly don't agree with being in charge.

However,in my 50 odd years I've never known a government to have less integrity than this current lot.
This is what is most responsible for bringing the country down.
 
None. I've never voted Tory.

Didn't bother to vote maybe even register for 2010, which I would have voted tactically for Libdems. But on hindsight that turned out to be a good decision after what they did as part of the coalition.
 
I think your grandfather, and everyone else's grandfather, fought in a war to ensure we had the right to vote. I exercise my right by abstaining from partaking in a flawed system which returns immoral liars of whatever colour whose driving incentive is their own progress, and the provision of a better country for the masses is a secondary, at best, aim.

Also, your initial post, heartfelt though it was, and reflective of any sane persons desires, is something of an unobtainable utopia I'm afraid. I can't think of a single country (though I'm no expert and would be happy to be corrected) which meets half the aims in your third paragraph for half their population.

Oh and in answer to the OP, no I don't regret my decision not to vote.
We should be allowed to tick a box saying: "None of the above." I am sure it would get the most votes. The political system is shattered and has not delivered anything significant for this country for decades. It is outdated and corrupt (see the House of Lords) and the people with the most influence are lobbyists. The MPs expenses scandal laid it all out in the open and nothing has changed.
 
We should be allowed to tick a box saying: "None of the above." I am sure it would get the most votes. The political system is shattered and has not delivered anything significant for this country for decades. It is outdated and corrupt (see the House of Lords) and the people with the most influence are lobbyists. The MPs expenses scandal laid it all out in the open and nothing has changed.

There are countries that have the option of NOTA that or compulsory voting and they still elect Trumpist extremists and corrupt politicians and parties.

Brazil and Australia are two examples.

NOTA wouldn't give you the result you desire. It would actually be taken to show that the public is disaffected with politics and it would be cynically abused by malevolent forces to enhance their own power.
 

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