Anybody seen a ghost or had a paranormal experience?

Fat Chance said:
You went for dinner in two's ...except for when somebody turned up in the bog.
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No we went to the pub for our dinner when we had finished prepping the machine we were working on that night. Basically the granulators had been running all day so night shift would go in open up the maintenance doors clean off then let them cool down, this evening i finished first so went to the pub for my dinner first. We wasn't on any clocks, get yer machine done for the morning shift and you were golden, I could do mine in about 2-3 hours that left 9-10 hours of my shift, ghostbusting in toilets or losing money playing Hearts.
 
BrianW said:
Yes, but you miss the point.

Science evolves and what was once a cast-iron certainty is now discarded. People used to believe that they would die (as passengers) if trains went at more than 30 mph. Serious people believed this! There is no telling what science will discover in time. BTW if they 'very rarely change' - they change!

If you went back in time (which probably defies the laws of physics, but never mind) and met the founder members of the Royal Society, you would find a group of very serious, very learned men. You would also be astonished by their ignorance of things we have long since accepted as being factual. I do not predict what the future holds, but I do believe that in 500 years or so they will hardly be able to credit our ignorance or the inadequacy of our understanding.
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Being a bit pedantic so forgive me but Laws have no predictive or explanatory power at all.

A Law is simply a description of a phenomena that is observably true. So Newton’s Laws of Motion observe that a body at rest will remain at rest until a force is acted upon it. This is true, we know it to be true because it is observed, it simply “is”.

What we find with time is that these Laws may fail to cover edge cases, that is extreme circumstances where the phenomena is not observed and so we need to make the Law more precise in some way. Newton’s Laws of Motion for example break down when you get to describing very small (quantum) situations. This doesn’t mean that Newton’s Laws are now “wrong”, we still observe the same thing in macrobodies, it just means that they fall short of a holistic description of all phenomena in all cases.

So when people say “The Laws of Physics don’t change”, this is not saying we don’t develop our understanding. It is simply saying that we won’t wake up tomorrow to find that Newton’s Laws have suddenly stopped working. They will continue to apply because they are simply an observation and not an explanation.

Our body of Theories that drives our understanding and application of these Laws continues to develop, but they must develop by definition within the framework of what the Laws allow.
 
BrianW said:
Yes, but you miss the point.

Science evolves and what was once a cast-iron certainty is now discarded. People used to believe that they would die (as passengers) if trains went at more than 30 mph. Serious people believed this! There is no telling what science will discover in time. BTW if they 'very rarely change' - they change!

If you went back in time (which probably defies the laws of physics, but never mind) and met the founder members of the Royal Society, you would find a group of very serious, very learned men. You would also be astonished by their ignorance of things we have long since accepted as being factual. I do not predict what the future holds, but I do believe that in 500 years or so they will hardly be able to credit our ignorance or the inadequacy of our understanding.
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That isn't the laws of physics though that's our understanding of how they can be implemented or explained.The actual laws of physics existed at the start of the universe, our understanding them is little changed since Newton and Galileo.
New invetions and new discoveries don't change those basic laws of Physics which you equated to gods and astrology these not the same in any way.
 
Have had sleep paralysis a few times which is unnerving and weird
 
BrianW said:
I see nothing radical in my belief that at some future point, science will be able to explain stuff we cannot currently get our heads around. And maybe, even, discover stuff that at present we can't even imagine.
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You've pretty much just defined science there.

My story:

I used to live in Shrewsbury in a centuries old building that apparently used to be a pub way back when. There were 2 flats in the building above what is now a hairdressers - 1st floor, and I (and my ex) lived on the 2nd floor.

We used to joke about having a ghost, because the front door was incredibly loud opening and closing, as were the stairs, and the doors to the individual flats. Infrequently we'd hear the front door go footsteps up one flight of stairs, then nothing, and there would be nobody in the stairwell (we'd always hear the downstairs flat door open and close when it was our neighbour coming home).

My ex went out for a night out with work, and I was in the other room. About 1am I heard the front door go, the first staircase, then the second. I immediately thought "Charlie's home," which was confirmed when I heard our flat door open, then the bathroom door open and close - I figured she was drunk and needed a slash/to throw up.

Heard nothing then for about 15 or 20 minutes so I shouted and asked if she was ok. No response so I assumed she'd fallen asleep on the toilet or something, we've all done it. Got up, went to the bathroom to help her to bed - nobody in there. Nobody in the flat but me. She got home at about 2am.
 
BrianW said:
I see nothing radical in my belief that at some future point, science will be able to explain stuff we cannot currently get our heads around. And maybe, even, discover stuff that at present we can't even imagine.
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Yes and until then…….
Woah! That’s scary!
Rinse and repeat. Word of mouth becomes local legend.

The best you can say about the scientific approach to understanding the world around us is that it is peer reviewed. Evidence/data is examined. New theories can be formulated for differing circumstances but laws are mathematically provable.

A quick screen grab;

What Is a Scientific Law?​

Like theories, scientific laws describe phenomena that the scientific community has found to be provably true. Generally, laws describe what will happen in a given situation as demonstrable by a mathematical equation, whereas theories describe how the phenomenon happens. Scientific laws develop from scientific discoveries and rigorously tested hypotheses, and new theories generally uphold and expand laws—though neither is ever held to be unimpeachably true.
 
BrianW said:
Your 'laws of physics' are just the new God.

500 years ago they would have put everything down to God. Nothing could exist that God did not permit.

Now you allow yourself to be limited to 'the laws of physics'.

How can you be sure - absolutely sure - that 500 years from now, people will not be saying: 'Imagine - they used to think this was impossible because of what they called 'the laws of physics'. Ha, ha, ha!'?

We haven't even begun to understand the universe. Science is not a constant. What we now call astrology was once 'science'. A doctor would not treat you without considering your horoscope. So was the business of alchemy. Most people think those things are bollocks now. The idea that in 2023 we know everything is laughable.
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Spoken like a true simpleton, well done.

And I didn’t say “we know everything” but we are certainly able to scan every frequency dogs can hear and that’s allowable under physics.

To begin by saying “your laws of physics are the new God” shows a shocking lack of understanding what the laws of physics are. It doesn’t matter how long passes, the laws of thermodynamics aren’t changing for you or any other window licker.

 
Interesting thread. Some things are just unexplainable, although once out in the open, as here, many will try and explain or mock them. The person that experienced them knows something very odd happened though as they lived it.

I've had a few odd experiences that at the time you think nothing of until something actually happens and then it all ties in.

This is 100% true but I didn't mention it to anybody for quite a long time afterwards as I thought people would say I made it up. Also I personally knew people who died in the incident.

I had a very vivid dream that I was walking on the deck of a red and white ship lying on its side in water. I worked on ships and knew by its size and the writing on the side it was a passenger ferry. It was dark and I could see the lights of the shore very close by. It was freezing cold and i wondered what the fuck had happened. I was in shock and disbelief as I couldn't comprehend why if the ship was on its side it hadn't fully sank. I remember thinking this is a major disaster that's happened here. It was spookily quiet and I wondered why I was the only one walking on the side of the ship, where was everyone else and how could I raise the alarm? Then I saw tugboats coming and a helicopter and thought thank fuck for that. Then I woke up.

I thought it was an odd dream, very realistic and it unnerved me a little. I wrote it off as just a dream and explained it away as because I worked on ships I may dream about them on occasion. That was until over a few months I had exactly the same dream a couple of times more. Everything identical even down to waking up at the same time in the dream. I remember thinking "This is weird " but the dreams stopped and I forgot about them. Then the Herald of Free Enterprise disaster happened and the vision I saw on the tv screen was identical to my dream and it all made sense. The ship hadn't sank because very luckily it had come to rest on a sandbank saving many more people from dying.I went cold, I had somehow seen into the future. It was a red and white ship with the company name Townsend Thoreson on the side.

Bizarely part of me felt guilty as if maybe somehow if I'd mentioned this recurring dream to somebody the disaster could have been averted. I knew of course it couldn't as nobody would have listened and even I wasn't exactly clear as to any time, date, company or port. I still found it frustrating though.

People can either believe this or not but it's the truth. I have nothing to gain by telling the story except scepticism but I thought I'd share it. Make of it what you will.
 
There are a million ghost hunter shows, with even more hours of looking. Haven’t found a single fucking thing. Not a single fucking thing. Why do they always go to old buildings? Castles, Pubs etc. it’s as if people only turned into ghosts in old gaffs. If you thought you saw one I’m not doubting that, what I am doubting is what you saw. Or thought you saw, isn’t the apparition of a deceased persons form and soul. It shows you how conditioned we are to this shit through religion. Believing you survive death means it’s plausible they exist. But believing you survive death is like saying, look at me, I’m a fucking gullible Bellend. And don’t look behind you, that shadow is obviously that guy who hanged himself during the Civil Wat because a Roundhead stole his fancy sexy thigh high boots.

Having said that, if there is absolute evidence for this embarrassing horseshit, I will eat my fucking hat and believe.

I won’t be fretting about being proved wrong mind. That’s nearly as bad as believing in the made up cunts in the first place
 
In our downstairs toilet we have cushion floor on the floor. It has a random pattern of swirls on it.
When I sit there having a dump I often see Michaelangelo or Jesus or a lion appear in the shapes.
However I do not ascribe anything supernatural to what I see.
 
When we were students a lad I shared a house with and I did a "stare at the card, read my mind" thing to scare one of our housemates as a laugh. It worked, twice. It freaked me out at the time. Not ghostly at all, though perhaps me and Baz had some way of odd communication/mind readingish because we lived in the same place and were pretty close.
I'm a very much a fact based, logical-minded sort and can't explain.
Neither one of us was dressed in victorian nightwear at the time, as far as I recall...
 
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