Anyone Agree With Gary Neville About FFP For A Change?

[dobobobo]

FFP has not held us back one single inch.

We built a title winning team. And then spent tens and tens of millions adding to it.
We also spent tens of millions sacking a manager the kit mans assistant didn't like.
Then spent tens of millions more.

FFP has in no way hampered us. Not for a single moment.

Rank bad decision making from our DOF has done that to us.

How did Barcelona cope with losing the genius that is Txiki?

It's an easy and understandable reaction to blame ffp, but it's false.

It's txiki fault. Today, tomorrow, and twice on match day.

Does somebody have the Carl Pilkington bullshit image please?

Worthy of a gif:

 

[Manchester_lalala]

FFP has not held us back one single inch.

We built a title winning team. And then spent tens and tens of millions adding to it.
We also spent tens of millions sacking a manager the kit mans assistant didn't like.
Then spent tens of millions more.

FFP has in no way hampered us. Not for a single moment.

Rank bad decision making from our DOF has done that to us.

How did Barcelona cope with losing the genius that is Txiki?

It's an easy and understandable reaction to blame ffp, but it's false.

It's txiki fault. Today, tomorrow, and twice on match day.

Does somebody have the Carl Pilkington bullshit image please?

Seriously? Why?

I don't profess to be the oracle on all matters football, but if you add up all the money spent on transfers and wages the last few years you'd have to be blind not to see that FFP hasn't been the reason for anything.

I'm not saying we wouldn't have spent even more if FFP didn't exist, but we have spent bloody millions on top of millions even so, I just don't think we've spent it well and to me that is the bigger issue .

I'm not trying to have an argument (unusual for me!) just giving an opinion.

If we had a net spend of only 0-25 million over the last few years I'd agree entirely that FFP has hamstrung us, but we've a net spend of well over 100 million so it can't possibly have "stopped us progressing" . Poor transfer policy has done that. (Bear in mind we already had a title winning squad before FFP even kicked in, the last few windows has just been about adding to it).

Ffp has fucked us. Without ffp, we wouldn't have to think about budgeting our spending on different positions, we'd go out and buy the best players for silly money. With FFP, we've made some bad signings, I'll admit that. But most of them at the time, seemed like good signings, positions what needed improving. Take mangala and fernando this seasom, both bought to replace players which were leaving the club. We spent big money on these two but it was positions we needed players. But without ffp, we'd be improving our squad in other positions as well as these two without thinking about money restrictions. I can't believe some city fans don't think ffp has stopped us from improving.

 

[burning blue soul]

Does somebody have the Carl Pilkington bullshit image please?

Seriously? Why?

I don't profess to be the oracle on all matters football, but if you add up all the money spent on transfers and wages the last few years you'd have to be blind not to see that FFP hasn't been the reason for anything.

I'm not saying we wouldn't have spent even more if FFP didn't exist, but we have spent bloody millions on top of millions even so, I just don't think we've spent it well and to me that is the bigger issue .

I'm not trying to have an argument (unusual for me!) just giving an opinion.

If we had a net spend of only 0-25 million over the last few years I'd agree entirely that FFP has hamstrung us, but we've a net spend of well over 100 million so it can't possibly have "stopped us progressing" . Poor transfer policy has done that. (Bear in mind we already had a title winning squad before FFP even kicked in, the last few windows has just been about adding to it).

On the Gary Neville front, it would have been good of him to suggest this 3 years ago when the ridiculous decision to implement FFP was taken, not now the whole thing has been implemented. Thanks for that one Gary.

On your point that FFP hasn't impacted us I can't believe you are being serious !? So were it not for FFP I would guarantee you that we would have gone for and won the signing of a Messi or Bale or Suarez or Ozil or Di Maria or Isco or Sanchez or Hazard or Fabregas or a Lewandoski or Thiago - by now (a crack player as Pellegrini calls them) not just stood idly by whilst the usual creme of Europe signs them up. The unpalatable facts are that under the auspices of FFP we could no longer compete. Why would 'anyone' not bid for those players if you could afford to ? You think the club would have rather gone for Fernando over Thiago or Navas over Bale ?

We have had to cut our cloth accordingly. Thats not to say we wouldn't necessarily have been in for one or more of those players but as blues we have to face facts - the one thing we had in our favour pre FFP when we were signing Yaya, Silva, Aguero, Nasri widely recognised 'top' players was precisely because we had the financial muscle. When we have our pitch to sign players (and yes it is a sales process of sorts to sell your club to the player - it might surprise some fans to hear that most of these players weren't born blues) you have to convince the 'crack' players to join your club over and above another European giant. Any blue would have to recognise that job is harder when you don't have the history, the fan base, the location in your favour and then the one major thing you did have in your favour 'finance' is removed - that's not disparaging our club they are just the facts. Do you really think we would have sold Tevez but for FFP ?

In some cases we have signed top quality - I would put Ferna and Mangala (best is yet to come from him imo) in this category but to suggest that FFP hasn't impacted our transfer activity is naive in the extreme - it has massively - it is working just how the powers that be would have wanted it to.

The above is precisely why I feel the fans play such an important part in making the club attractive to foreign stars, by showing our passion for the club not leaving ten minutes before the end and spending the whole game slagging our own players - I would run a mile from such a club.

At the moment its' playing out just how the authorities would wish with City fans tearing the club apart at a most critical part of the season. Judgements should come at the end of the season, for now, we should just focus on giving our all for the team to help rather than hinder.

perfectly put. ffp has fucked city by stealth.

 

[dobobobo]

Can't be arsed reading the thread, so I will just have my say and fuck off.

Of the 7 remaining City matches, 6 are on Sky. (Only say we aint on Sky is last match of season.)

Neville aint going to be allowed to say anything that pisses off City fans to the point of cancelling subscriptions and the non-viewing of adverts.

 

[Kazzydeyna]

Does somebody have the Carl Pilkington bullshit image please?

Seriously? Why?

I don't profess to be the oracle on all matters football, but if you add up all the money spent on transfers and wages the last few years you'd have to be blind not to see that FFP hasn't been the reason for anything.

I'm not saying we wouldn't have spent even more if FFP didn't exist, but we have spent bloody millions on top of millions even so, I just don't think we've spent it well and to me that is the bigger issue .

I'm not trying to have an argument (unusual for me!) just giving an opinion.

If we had a net spend of only 0-25 million over the last few years I'd agree entirely that FFP has hamstrung us, but we've a net spend of well over 100 million so it can't possibly have "stopped us progressing" . Poor transfer policy has done that. (Bear in mind we already had a title winning squad before FFP even kicked in, the last few windows has just been about adding to it).

Ffp has fucked us. Without ffp, we wouldn't have to think about budgeting our spending on different positions, we'd go out and buy the best players for silly money. With FFP, we've made some bad signings, I'll admit that. But most of them at the time, seemed like good signings, positions what needed improving. Take mangala and fernando this seasom, both bought to replace players which were leaving the club. We spent big money on these two but it was positions we needed players. But without ffp, we'd be improving our squad in other positions as well as these two without thinking about money restrictions. I can't believe some city fans don't think ffp has stopped us from improving.

We've spent 100's of millions. I've seen or heard nothing from the top boys at city to suggest we would've spent significantly more if ffp didn't exist.

The sheik is a business man. He wouldn't spend unlimitedly for ever.

Ffp has not iimpacted us one half as much as a poor dof has.

 

[carlos tevez is a blue]

He knows we will get hit by ffp. I normally don't mind him, but something stinks here. I'll get laughed at but I wonder he's on the wind up here and almost willing on city to break the rules again.

I did say last year that we shouldn't bow down to uefa. I suppose the club knows best.

My thoughts exactly, the pessimist in me says he would love it if the FFP came back to bite us if we took it on. Let's be real he can say what he wants on TV with the Sky cameras in his face, the man hates us and doesn't want to see us succeed.

Paranoid androids.

 

[citytill1die84]

Mancini wanted Hazard & RVP but FFP put a stop to it we had to budget.

Pellegrini wanted Sanchez, Di Maria & Falcao but FFP put a stop to it again we had to budget.

It's not only to cost of player the club have to take into account it's also wages and agent fees it fucked us over.

The reason we bought our Sinclairs & Fernandos is because of FFP

 

[Manchester_lalala]

Seriously? Why?

I don't profess to be the oracle on all matters football, but if you add up all the money spent on transfers and wages the last few years you'd have to be blind not to see that FFP hasn't been the reason for anything.

I'm not saying we wouldn't have spent even more if FFP didn't exist, but we have spent bloody millions on top of millions even so, I just don't think we've spent it well and to me that is the bigger issue .

I'm not trying to have an argument (unusual for me!) just giving an opinion.

If we had a net spend of only 0-25 million over the last few years I'd agree entirely that FFP has hamstrung us, but we've a net spend of well over 100 million so it can't possibly have "stopped us progressing" . Poor transfer policy has done that. (Bear in mind we already had a title winning squad before FFP even kicked in, the last few windows has just been about adding to it).

Ffp has fucked us. Without ffp, we wouldn't have to think about budgeting our spending on different positions, we'd go out and buy the best players for silly money. With FFP, we've made some bad signings, I'll admit that. But most of them at the time, seemed like good signings, positions what needed improving. Take mangala and fernando this seasom, both bought to replace players which were leaving the club. We spent big money on these two but it was positions we needed players. But without ffp, we'd be improving our squad in other positions as well as these two without thinking about money restrictions. I can't believe some city fans don't think ffp has stopped us from improving.

We've spent 100's of millions. I've seen or heard nothing from the top boys at city to suggest we would've spent significantly more if ffp didn't exist.

The sheik is a business man. He wouldn't spend unlimitedly for ever.

Ffp has not iimpacted us one half as much as a poor dof has.

What about khaldoons comments about taking a pinch? We have spent millions, but most of them at the time seemed like good signings, positions what needed improving. Take this summer for example, bought mangala and fernando. Seem like good signings, don't need to improve much going forward due to us being lethal in front of goal the previous season. With FFP, we'd have no chance off adding to the positions that we've already strengthened. Without FFP, we sign fabregas, di Maria etc on top of those signings. We need to accept that we've made some bad choices, but we've also made some good choices. But the bottom line of it is that without FFP, we wouldn't have to make the choice of weather to buy players in positions where needed, or gamlble and sign a marquee signing. If we fuck up this summer, no fucker will have an excuse, we need to spend this budget this summer on class players. Which I really do think we will do.

 

[Kazzydeyna]

FFP has not held us back one single inch.

We built a title winning team. And then spent tens and tens of millions adding to it.
We also spent tens of millions sacking a manager the kit mans assistant didn't like.
Then spent tens of millions more.

FFP has in no way hampered us. Not for a single moment.

Rank bad decision making from our DOF has done that to us.

How did Barcelona cope with losing the genius that is Txiki?

It's an easy and understandable reaction to blame ffp, but it's false.

It's txiki fault. Today, tomorrow, and twice on match day.

Does somebody have the Carl Pilkington bullshit image please?

Worthy of a gif:

Got to say that is a brilliant Gif. Fair play sir.

 

[SRF]

I know GN is good with the technology in the Sky studio and does make some good points but he is a dirty stinkng rag. He has an agenda and when he co commentates with that other clown their bias is clear to see. Unfortunately due to poor health I can no longer go to live games so have to put up with games on TV. There is no balance in the media full stop. All we get are wall to wall scousers, more rags than you can shake a stick at and the London mob. City have no one speaking up for us. As for ffp it has hampered us for sure,but I think the main problem is that opponent's have worked out how we play. They now plan to stop us getting any where near the area immediately in front of the goal. I don't think it was a coincidence that we had good results without strikers, we had to play a game that was different. We have a team that is getting older but it doesn't have to be a problem just because rat boy says it is.