Are 12 American owners a serious threat to our game ?

[ChicagoBlue]

Newcastle cant complain about spenditure. Gordon, Isak, Tonali all cos 60m each. Harvey Barnes, Livarmento, Lewis Hall - close to 100m on those three.

Those complaining about Newcastle spending limitations are lamenting the fact they cant just go out and offer 2m a week to Vini Jr. How many multiples should Newcastle be allowed to spend relative to thier rivals? If the PSR shackles were turned off, then Newcastle could just offer every clubs best players 4-5 times wage increases.

Poor Newcastle. They can't tap their owner's wealth to buy a ticket to the top, and instead have rules that ensure if they are to get to the top, they must so in a more organic way.

Funny to watch a club that has grown on the backs of the wealthy, even in its location, now looking down on a club that has finally found a wealthy owner, but is not allowed the same investment as your own club has been allowed historically!

The whole FFP nonsense is just that…NONSENSE!

Why should an owner be prohibited from investing in his business? Don’t most businesses run at a loss during a growth phase, knowing that LONG TERM PROFITABILITY is the goal?

When such profitability is being fenced off by those who were able to grow before THEY instituted the rules, doesn’t that seem a little ANTI-COMPETITIVE to you? Should not the spoils of competition be made available to all, on the same footing as other clubs were allowed to grow and compete?

Or, IF YOU REALLY WANT FAIR COMPETITION, why not have full revenue sharing, from the pies & pints to PL winnings, so that everyone in the PL gets the same ££££ to spend every year? Or, does it feel good to have an American Billionaire owning the club, and a big new stadium that charges the highest ticket prices in the country to the wealthiest fan base in the country?

Yeah, that’s what I thought!

I’ve got mine. Ladder up!!

 

[ArtetaTechnicalArea]

Funny to watch a club that has grown on the backs of the wealthy, even in its location, now looking down on a club that has finally found a wealthy owner, but is not allowed the same investment as your own club has been allowed historically!

The whole FFP nonsense is just that…NONSENSE!

Why should an owner be prohibited from investing in his business? Don’t most businesses run at a loss during a growth phase, knowing that LONG TERM PROFITABILITY is the goal?

When such profitability is being fenced off by those who were able to grow before THEY instituted the rules, doesn’t that seem a little ANYI-COMPETITIVE to you? Should not the spoils of competition be made available to all, on the same footing as other clubs were allowed to grow and compete?

Or, IF YOU REALLY WANT FAIR COMPETITION, why not have full revenue sharing, from the pies & pints to PL winnings, so that everyone in the PL gets the same ££££ to spend every year? Or, does it feel good to have an American Billionaire owning the club, and a big new stadium that charges the highest ticket prices in the country to the wealthiest fan base in the country?

Yeah, that’s what I thought!

I’ve got mine. Ladder up!!

LIke I said, Newcastle have spent money. In Gordon and Isak they have two of the best forwards in the league. What the issue here? They cant offer Mbappe 4m a week?

If there was unrestricted spending the PL would suffer as a hole. Why do you think Barcelona and Real madrid are desperate for the ESL? Its because La Liga has no revenue sharing, and over the years Real Madrid and Barcelona have cannibalized all the wealth and left scraps for the rest. Everton can spend 40-50m on single players, teams at the bottom of La Liga cant spend that much between them.

The PL has gone from strength to strength on a rules based system. Man United tried to negotiate their own TV deal in the early 2000's and it was shot down, and rightly so. Whats the point of equal distribution of tv revneue if the revenue streams are so incidental because the Saudi Fund is pumping 10 billion anually into Newcastle United. Its also so undignified, just like the Saudo attempt to take over Golf. Apparently the Saudi's are also going to have a crack at tennis. Run a shadow competition to Wimbledon where the prize money is 10 times that of Wimbledon. You may choose to watch the Riyadh Open, but ill stick with Wimbledon.

 

[Newman Noggs]

LIke I said, Newcastle have spent money. In Gordon and Isak they have two of the best forwards in the league. What the issue here? They cant offer Mbappe 4m a week?

No, the issue is that, just as you pontificate as to how many good players other teams should be allowed, your club, along with other American owned clubs, are now in a position to dictate exactly that and using the same exaggerated hypothetical scenario to justify it.

Your supercilious attitude mirrors, your club's. "Newcastle have two good players, what more do they want ?".

 

[ChicagoBlue]

LIke I said, Newcastle have spent money. In Gordon and Isak they have two of the best forwards in the league. What the issue here? They cant offer Mbappe 4m a week?

If there was unrestricted spending the PL would suffer as a hole. Why do you think Barcelona and Real madrid are desperate for the ESL? Its because La Liga has no revenue sharing, and over the years Real Madrid and Barcelona have cannibalized all the wealth and left scraps for the rest. Everton can spend 40-50m on single players, teams at the bottom of La Liga cant spend that much between them.

The PL has gone from strength to strength on a rules based system. Man United tried to negotiate their own TV deal in the early 2000's and it was shot down, and rightly so. Whats the point of equal distribution of tv revneue if the revenue streams are so incidental because the Saudi Fund is pumping 10 billion anually into Newcastle United. Its also so undignified, just like the Saudo attempt to take over Golf. Apparently the Saudi's are also going to have a crack at tennis. Run a shadow competition to Wimbledon where the prize money is 10 times that of Wimbledon. You may choose to watch the Riyadh Open, but ill stick with Wimbledon.

No one is against football rules. It’s the business rules…and the new restrictions the “legacy” clubs didn’t have to abide by while they grew and inherited billionaire owners with deep pockets!

 

[ArtetaTechnicalArea]

No, the issue is that, just as you pontificate as to how many good players other teams should be allowed, your club, along with other American owned clubs, are now in a position to dictate exactly that and using the same exaggerated hypothetical scenario to justify it.

Your supercilious attitude mirrors, your club's. "Newcastle have two good players, what more do they want ?".

Newcastle have more than two good players. Isak, Gordon, Bruno G, Botman & Tonali are all very high quality.

Thier complaining is because they cant spend their owners money without restrictions. To me this is them whining they can't offer stupid amounts for Vini Jr Ect.

As for the American club owners. Well thats how the league works. Ive said before the league is a collective, 20 clubs each worth 5%. If 14 clubs vote a certain way, then the dissenting clubs just need to accept it. So far the rules incorporate PSR and FFP and its unlikely to change. If Newcastle's owners have a problem with it, then its their problem.

 

[ArtetaTechnicalArea]

No one is against football rules. It’s the business rules…and the new restrictions the “legacy” clubs didn’t have to abide by while they grew and inherited billionaire owners with deep pockets!

Its not just the legacy clubs. These rules require a super majority of 14 out of the 20 clubs. 70% of the vote is needed.

 

[mexico1970]

The first clubs FFP should be looking at are those with the largest debt not the ones who can spend and still be debt free.

 

[ChicagoBlue]

Its not just the legacy clubs. These rules require a super majority of 14 out of the 20 clubs. 70% of the vote is needed.

You don’t get it…at all!!

You’re talking about the AFTER, not the HOW or BEFORE. And, the AFTER is, rather conveniently, a status quo which suits your American owner, who already has his ducks in a row, 11 other American owners in his posse, and only needs 2 more to run the table on “rules.”

 

[WT86]

I think we're missing the point in talking about nationality. You don't have to be very old to remember English businessmen like Ken Bates, the Oystons, etc.

And I know people don't like to hear it but 15 different teams have won the World Series in the past 25 years. 6 have won the Premier League. Six have won the Bundesliga, 4 have won La Liga. Of the top 100 sports contracts historically, only two have been given out in Europe, the rest are American, except a handful in Saudi. The idea that American owners don't like competition and don't invest in their players doesn't bear scrutiny.

The reality is that wherever they're from, the people who now have the money to own a top-flight football club a) don't care about the local community, and b) are out to make as much money as possible off the club, or greenwash their image, and don't care what they destroy in the process. I don't have a solution but I do think it involves government regulation and some form of salary cap.

 

[Big Joe Corrigan]

I think we're missing the point in talking about nationality. You don't have to be very old to remember English businessmen like Ken Bates, the Oystons, etc.

And I know people don't like to hear it but 15 different teams have won the World Series in the past 25 years. 6 have won the Premier League. Six have won the Bundesliga, 4 have won La Liga. Of the top 100 sports contracts historically, only two have been given out in Europe, the rest are American, except a handful in Saudi. The idea that American owners don't like competition and don't invest in their players doesn't bear scrutiny.

The reality is that wherever they're from, the people who now have the money to own a top-flight football club a) don't care about the local community, and b) are out to make as much money as possible off the club, or greenwash their image, and don't care what they destroy in the process. I don't have a solution but I do think it involves government regulation and some form of salary cap.

If you think City’s owners don’t care about the local community you need to do some research.