Are City really ruining football?

[johnevans]

City ain’t ruining football, everyone else got complacent. City weren’t taken seriously when the take over happened. They could never be as good or dominant as United, money won’t buy you what they had. Fast forward 13 years and we have 5 premier league trophies to show for it.

Whilst the rest of the football world tied itself in knots trying to accuse City of cheating, the club quietly went about its plans. City football group grew and opened up commercial opportunities world wide, the commercial arm of the Chinese government have invested. Then a private investment company in Silverlake bought in. If this football club can’t stand on its own two feet and is propped up by its owner why the fuck would two other significant investors get involved?

Instead of crying about City the rest of the premier league should have been looking at their ways to dominate. It’s the most watched league in the world and has tv revenues going up year after year. Other teams owners choose to ride the gravy train and take money out, this is where the blame should be and not a club who have owners who are ambitious enough to want to be the best on the pitch.

Bang on the money.

You describe the responses from other clubs, especially here in the English league, to a 't'. If I might be allowed to waffle on for a while about an analogy I've long been drawing between City's last decade or so since Sheikh Mansour arrived and other industries, in order to support your points..

Many years ago when I changed career from education/teaching History to go into the commercial world, I took an MBA degree at Warwick. This was the 70s/early 80s when people there (in tandem with other university research centres around the world) were analysing business practice across various industries to see if there were any differences or common practices in international approaches to business conditions, problems etc across the globe.

Long story short but one of the (now classic) case studies to come out of that research was the automotive industry's responses to increasing legislation (post-Oil Crisis of the mid-70s) on fuel consumption reduction, engine efficiency and so on and so on.

The research found that the 'American model' which was adopted by the USA/Europe was mainly to respond to these new pressures on car manufacture by immediately launching into full lobbying mode (and thereby spending many hundreds of millions of dollars) to influence Congress to reduce the new standards for future car development and manufacture, in effect attempting to delay, playing for time etc, rather than attempting to make investment decisions to meet the challenges of the new, emerging car manufacturing landscape.

Meanwhile, the response from Japanese and other SE Asian manufacturers was, by and large, to seek to not only meet the new standards being imposed by governments around the world but to actually go further than those new standards being required. Within a short time, companies such as Honda and Toyota, which had been struggling for share in Western markets, were significant players in the newly emerging global automotive industry.

I think you get the drift?!

Oh and one final thing.. I've mentioned in other posts on here that I'd love to hear our UK sports media and the fans of other clubs, all of whom have slagged our club off for over a decade now, ask their favoured (Red Top) clubs just one simple question..

'Where's the f**king money gone?'

But I'm not going to hold my breath waiting for any of them to grow the cojones and ask..

 

[Thebigbluehouse]

Bang on the money.

You describe the responses from other clubs, especially here in the English league, to a 't'. If I might be allowed to waffle on for a while about an analogy I've long been drawing between City's last decade or so since Sheikh Mansour arrived and other industries, in order to support your points..

Many years ago when I changed career from education/teaching History to go into the commercial world, I took an MBA degree at Warwick. This was the 70s/early 80s when people there (in tandem with other university research centres around the world) were analysing business practice across various industries to see if there were any differences or common practices in international approaches to business conditions, problems etc across the globe.

Long story short but one of the (now classic) case studies to come out of that research was the automotive industry's responses to increasing legislation (post-Oil Crisis of the mid-70s) on fuel consumption reduction, engine efficiency and so on and so on.

The research found that the 'American model' which was adopted by the USA/Europe was mainly to respond to these new pressures on car manufacture by immediately launching into full lobbying mode (and thereby spending many hundreds of millions of dollars) to influence Congress to reduce the new standards for future car development and manufacture, in effect attempting to delay, playing for time etc, rather than attempting to make investment decisions to meet the challenges of the new, emerging car manufacturing landscape.

Meanwhile, the response from Japanese and other SE Asian manufacturers was, by and large, to seek to not only meet the new standards being imposed by governments around the world but to actually go further than those new standards being required. Within a short time, companies such as Honda and Toyota, which had been struggling for share in Western markets, were significant players in the newly emerging global automotive industry.

I think you get the drift?!

Oh and one final thing.. I've mentioned in other posts on here that I'd love to hear our UK sports media and the fans of other clubs, all of whom have slagged our club off for over a decade now, ask their favoured (Red Top) clubs just one simple question..

'Where's the f**king money gone?'

But I'm not going to hold my breath waiting for any of them to grow the cojones and ask..

That seems to hit home, "where did your owner put the 100's of millions your club get every year".

 

[trevorriley]

no, we are showing that the combination of a good relationship between owners / CEO / football manager creates an unbeatable force.

One of those 3 slips and you become.........

 

[Man_City_Loyal]

Only the Same as Liverpool winning stuff for decades,

United dominating the English football league in 90s and 00s.

arsenal getting involved as well

 

[BlueBrain]

did a thread about it over on twitter. The conclusion is no we are not. Liverpool and Chelsea have both been shit while we at the same time have been brilliant. Why should City lower their levels to a level thats barely won any titles in the last 22 years. Chelsea and Liverpool need to improve.

 

[bluelol]

Manchester City is the only excuse for those that are far too blind to see. The thing that is screwing up the premier league is, all the rules that have been introduced since the take over at City, which includes the news media, FA, Sky BT, BBC, and the like because City has contained the red tops over the last decade, which if allowed will/does interfere with the revenue they get from them. In my view, I love it and long may it continue because our own history eventually will win over as time goes by.

 

[Johnny Mars Bar]

Crying little kiddies all over Murderside and Salford this weekend, so we're certainly ruining it for some people.

And long may it continue.

 

[remember arthur mann]

Nah, just taking a pinch.

 

[domalino]

We’ve ruined football for United fans, as our rise has perfectly corresponded with their decline, meaning we’ve replaced them as the dominant team in this country - and they can’t hack it.

We’ve ruined football for Liverpool fans because they currently have one of the best teams they’ve ever assembled, and if it wasn’t for us that team would undoubtedly have returned them to their ‘rightful place’ at the top of the English football pile. But the fact is despite all their brilliance, they’re still second best - and they can’t hack it.

We’ve ruined football for Arsenal fans because the one or two titles they might have historically picked up as the best also-rans when the dominant team of the moment had an off season have evaporated completely, bringing home the stark reality that their current level is (and has been for years) fighting it out for fourth with Spurs - and they can’t hack it.

And as the mainstream media is dominated by fans of these three Clubs, we all have to sit through their incessant whining, tantrums and histrionics because - and here’s the point - they can’t hack it!

The reality is we’re no more ‘ruining football’ than any other dominant team in history did in their pomp - we’re just ruining the hope that’s so vital in football for the entitled fans of clubs who are too used to having it their own way, and they’re fucking livid with us for taking their favourite toy away!

It's not just those 3 clubs.

First we picked off Everton and Villa's best players and leapfrogged them, in the process they went from European challengers to relegation candidates.

Then we jumped ahead of Spurs in the top 4 when they'd been waiting for something like Liverpool's 2009-2016 down spell for years.

Then we knocked Arsenal out of the Top 4 and took all their best players.

Then we took a bunch of titles away from Chelsea and United.

Now we've limited the best side in the history of the world to 1 premier league trophy in 5 years trying.

Of the 10 biggest and most successful clubs in the history of the English game, the only 2 we haven't upset are Newcastle and Nottingham Forest, and Newcastle are on their way.

 

[Nicholas van Whatsisface]

It's not just those 3 clubs.

First we picked off Everton and Villa's best players and leapfrogged them, in the process they went from European challengers to relegation candidates.

Then we jumped ahead of Spurs in the top 4 when they'd been waiting for something like Liverpool's 2009-2016 down spell for years.

Then we knocked Arsenal out of the Top 4 and took all their best players.

Then we took a bunch of titles away from Chelsea and United.

Now we've limited the best side in the history of the world to 1 premier league trophy in 5 years trying.

Of the 10 biggest and most successful clubs in the history of the English game, the only 2 we haven't upset are Newcastle and Nottingham Forest, and Newcastle are on their way.

Absolutely right mate - although I would say of all the above, Chelsea clearly make by far the least noise about it.

Probably because their ownership model and their business model are closer to ours, so we don’t represent the same existential threat to them as we do to the American owned clubs - who actively want to invest as little as possible in their clubs, and squeeze as much profit as possible out of them whilst keeping them broadly competitive.

To them, our success represents a direct challenge to their entire operation - and the longer it goes on for, the more likely they are to get found out. You can see the Penny dropping with some of the more rational scousers at the moment, who are starting to question where all the money is disappearing to if it’s not being spent on the team.

But you’re spot on about Villa, Everton and Spurs. They just have less of our mainstream media on the payroll, so we notice it less