Are Labour a total shambles now as an opposition?

[west didsblue]

A pointless post if you want to believe that with a growing population caused by imitation, that more Britons are employed than there ever has been , that is your prerogative, likewise we have had government initiatives it still did not have us stop importing Doctors and Nurses and one of the most acclaimed skill training courses in Briton the one with all the awards is flipping burgers at Mc Donalds

So it's Rory Bremner and Mike Yarwood's fault.

 

[Ban-jani]

A pointless post if you want to believe that with a growing population caused by imitation, that more Britons are employed than there ever has been , that is your prerogative, likewise we have had government initiatives it still did not have us stop importing Doctors and Nurses and one of the most acclaimed skill training courses in Briton the one with all the awards is flipping burgers at Mc Donalds

It’s done via a percentage, it’s not a flat statistic that more Brits are employed than ever.

Yes we have currently and in the past and we need better ones, that’s my entire point.

 

[salfordbluetrue]

It’s done via a percentage, it’s not a flat statistic that more Brits are employed than ever.

Yes we have currently and in the past and we need better ones, that’s my entire point.

it is not a flat statistic because it is false, and whilst training should never be stopped importing only what you need is a far better than bringing in hundreds of thousands of unskilled workers every month and hoping that someone will train them up

 

[bluethrunthru]

it is not a flat statistic because it is false, and whilst training should never be stopped importing only what you need is a far better than bringing in hundreds of thousands of unskilled workers every month and hoping that someone will train them up

another glib use of false statistics there. As of the year to June 2018 there were 625k people who came to the UK - 50k per month at worst not "hundreds (plural ) of thousands per month" as stated. However as 351k left in the same period the net figure as 273k.

I am never sure why people do that - deliberate scaremongering - ignorance of the facts - or believe what they want to believe.

The figures have gone up since then - by Nov EU net migration ( the one people say we can't control but in fact we can our govts just chose not to ) was only 74k - but net non-EU migration ( one we certainly can control ) was the highest since 2004 at 248k. What is quite clear is immigration is not going to move much at all post Brexit. Just another pup successfully sold by Farage etc.

 

[salfordbluetrue]

another glib use of false statistics there. As of the year to June 2018 there were 625k people who came to the UK - 50k per month at worst not "hundreds (plural ) of thousands per month" as stated. However as 351k left in the same period the net figure as 273k.

I am never sure why people do that - deliberate scaremongering - ignorance of the facts - or believe what they want to believe.

The figures have gone up since then - by Nov EU net migration ( the one people say we can't control but in fact we can our govts just chose not to ) was only 74k - but net non-EU migration ( one we certainly can control ) was the highest since 2004 at 248k. What is quite clear is immigration is not going to move much at all post Brexit. Just another pup successfully sold by Farage etc.

Immigration was never going to change post brexit as neither Lobour nor the Consevatives were going to reduce it, Farage did use the unemployed and low paid to further his wealth
The population of British more than 1st generation has been dropping for various reasons for more than a decade yet the population of Briton has been climbing, it`s highest ever if i am not mistaken, now if you want to use figures use the full decade not just the Polish returning home who had no intention of staying here, we need immigration but it should be what we need

 

[Ban-jani]

it is not a flat statistic because it is false, and whilst training should never be stopped importing only what you need is a far better than bringing in hundreds of thousands of unskilled workers every month and hoping that someone will train them up

I’m not saying bringing in hundreds of thousands of unskilled workers is a clever thing to do, the original point was yours saying we need more jobs as a priority and I say we don’t, we need to improve the jobs people are doing through training and regulations around the working relationships.

I’m all for importing what we need, as a recruiter it makes my life easier but it’d be better for the country if we gave those in unskilled jobs and already here the chance to train as a Doctor or Engineer or Software Developer.

It’s also not false.

 

[salfordbluetrue]

I’m not saying bringing in hundreds of thousands of unskilled workers is a clever thing to do, the original point was yours saying we need more jobs as a priority and I say we don’t, we need to improve the jobs people are doing through training and regulations around the working relationships.

I’m all for importing what we need, as a recruiter it makes my life easier but it’d be better for the country if we gave those in unskilled jobs and already here the chance to train as a Doctor or Engineer or Software Developer.

It’s also not false.

My point was not we need more jobs i am under no illusion that the micro chip has and will take millions of jobs

 

[bluethrunthru]

Immigration was never going to change post brexit as neither Lobour nor the Consevatives were going to reduce it, Farage did use the unemployed and low paid to further his wealth
The population of British more than 1st generation has been dropping for various reasons for more than a decade yet the population of Briton has been climbing, it`s highest ever if i am not mistaken, now if you want to use figures use the full decade not just the Polish returning home who had no intention of staying here, we need immigration but it should be what we need

Its funny because an awful lot of people voted Brexit for that to happen. And it never was hundreds of thousands a month. And speaking of Farage it never was the entire population of Turkey.

 

[Ban-jani]

My point was not we need more jobs i am under no illusion that the micro chip has and will take millions of jobs

Well that’s an entirely different topic and it’s true.

 

[west didsblue]

In answer to the thread title - Absolutely yes
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jan/04/democrats-battling-trump-brexit-labour