Are Labour a total shambles now as an opposition?

We should also shorten average man hours while increasing the wages. Automation can allow higher output with less required labour afterall.

If in time we could evolve to a fully automated system then why shouldn't we? However the way the current system is build with distribution mostly along merrit of labour as a cornerstone to it does provide potentially significant social challenge's. It might make a lot of orthodox economical thinking simply redundant.

Unfortunately every employer will see the investment in automation will have to be paid for by both increased productivity and the employment of fewer people doing more than ever for as little reward as they can get away with. Altruism doesn't figure highly.
 
Profit is the prime driver in everything because profit is what allows you to reinvest and grow something. Not making any profit means you can only sustain what you have so in general more and more profit is good. Without profit there is no growth,

Faulthy thinking actually in context of the modern fractional banking system. Even withought profit growth could still achieved simply by creating new money and using it so to motivate the kind of economic activity that will add accordingly to youre economy.
Most of the capital for investment in the modern system comes from the money creation mechanics of the fractional banking system. It's also why central banks moved away from the gold standard, so to be able to stimulate the economy by creating more money as opportune.

Unfortunately every employer will see the investment in automation will have to be paid for by both increased productivity and the employment of fewer people doing more than ever for as little reward as they can get away with. Altruism doesn't figure highly.

Arguably there is an x amount of savings in cost and an x amount of savings in time and one can distribute the profit of those savings to employer and employee by any arbitrary set ratio as oen might prefer. What motivates a capitalist to give a fair share of the cake, the potential of more forcefull opposition otherwise? Automation is going to be stimulated anyway by the economic mechanics, if that also leads to massive unemployement and poverty trough labour redundancy then social upheavel is likely. What is more scary would be the potential of the wealthy class to crush all opposition to themselves trough automated means of enforcement if they became powerfull enough to do that.
 
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We should also shorten average man hours while increasing the wages. Automation can allow higher output with less required labour afterall.

If in time we could evolve to a fully automated system then why shouldn't we? However the way the current system is build with distribution mostly along merrit of labour as a cornerstone to it does provide potentially significant social challenge's. This evolution might make a lot of orthodox economical thinking simply redundant and require significant social changes to be maximised the utility for the public good.

I suppose automation, AI etc come down to people need money to buy the things the technology is helping to build

Technology is a huge benefit to business and employees but as you say, there is likely to be a huge social change in the coming years. My fear is that the politicians are ill-equip to deal with it or even acknowledge it
 
I suppose automation, AI etc come down to people need money to buy the things the technology is helping to build

Thats imho the "paradigm shift" that requires due attention to our thinking in economics.

Technology is a huge benefit to business and employees but as you say, there is likely to be a huge social change in the coming years. My fear is that the politicians are ill-equip to deal with it or even acknowledge it

As it is, the majority benifits of automation seem to go to the elite that holds the means of production and they have interrest in keeping it like this as long as any social unrest to it can be managed. Logicly they would have interrest to buy the politicians for their cause and indeed imho many times the politicians seem to just sell out on the public.

The logical signs of an ongoing automation evolution going on in society that could cause social issue's is that automation would likely make the most simply and mechanical tasks redundant first and it would hit the uneducated class harder leading to more emhasis in society for higher education and even them more specificly of a technical kind. Well atleast to me that seems a sign.

Another sign would be when on a global scale the costs of manual labor would be significantly decreasing as to still enable competition with automation, which might seem just that when much of the manufacturing sector moved to low labour country's despite the available technoligy and demand domesticly.
 
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Unfortunately every employer will see the investment in automation will have to be paid for by both increased productivity and the employment of fewer people doing more than ever for as little reward as they can get away with. Altruism doesn't figure highly.

my employer is definitely seeing increased productivity due to lack of brexit thread to read!
 
We should be very carefull and mindfull about such modern evolutions like the automation of warfare. This is a highly significant evolution within the history of mankind. Millitary force is still a determinal cornerstone of power, it becomes a very different beast to aquire and wield once it moves away from humans to robots. For all human history people needed the consent of allies to wage war and take some pain for their own, that could get fundamentally changed.
The weapon factory's are run by capitalists aswell, some of them would soon have the technoligy and means of production to build robotic armies of their own if only they would have reasons. And to be fair war can be an extension of greed too.
 
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Thats imho the "paradigm shift" that requires due attention to our thinking in economics.



As it is, the majority benifits of automation seem to go to the elite that holds the means of production and they have interrest in keeping it like this as long as any social unrest to it can be managed. Logicly they would have interrest to buy the politicians for their cause and indeed imho many times the politicians seem to just sell out on the public.

The logical signs of an ongoing automation evolution going on in society that could cause social issue's is that automation would likely make the most simply and mechanical tasks redundant first and it would hit the uneducated class harder leading to more emhasis in society for higher education and even them more specificly of a technical kind. Well atleast to me that seems a sign.

Another sign would be when on a global scale the costs of manual labor would be significantly decreasing as to still enable competition with automation, which might seem just that when much of the manufacturing sector moved to low labour country's despite the available technoligy and demand domesticly.

The enemy of automation and more or less everything happening nowadays related to it will always be the consumer.

If I gave you a choice to buy the automatically built car for £500 or the hand built car for £1000, you will pick the automated one.

If you want to halt automation, halt the switch to more automated forms of processing etc then you need to stop buying products made by those companies!

Of course you and I won't though, you and I want everything for as cheap as possible for the highest quality possible and that is the problem.
 

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