Are Labour a total shambles now as an opposition?

[Gelsons Dad]

He really doesn't want a GE. No confidence in the PM? It's meaningless as she won't step down and has nowhere to backdown to. If they vote now on the Brexit bill it will fail. Then what?

 

[BobKowalski]

After today I would go for a ‘yes’ as the answer to the question. The Govt is more of a shambles but I’m in a ‘pox on all their houses’ mood.

 

[Magicpole]

Corbyn is playing a blinder for those of us up here who want Indy 2 to succeed.

An absolute blinder, Messiesque.

I knew he would and just like Lionel, he’s delivering.

Being a Brexiteer himself, he is totally and utterly hogtied. And it shows.

Keep it up Agent Jezza, when it’s all done you can move up here. We won’t forget how you helped it all happen.

 

[Mon Autre]

He really doesn't want a GE. No confidence in the PM? It's meaningless as she won't step down and has nowhere to backdown to. If they vote now on the Brexit bill it will fail. Then what?

My guess is that parliament would switch attention to preventing us crashing us out with no deal for the time being. Something the PM has been hoping she'd leave us with no time to do.

 

[The perfect fumble]

He really doesn't want a GE. No confidence in the PM? It's meaningless as she won't step down and has nowhere to backdown to. If they vote now on the Brexit bill it will fail. Then what?

He doesn't have the numbers to bring the government down.

Last Friday 117 Tory MPs voted to boot May out, with those numbers he could at least dislodge the Prime Minister in a no confidence vote, but in the space of 72 hours the honourable 117 have rediscovered their love for her.

The Brexit vote has now been postponed until January, while the government is herding Parliament in to three dead end options, May's plan, crash out, remain.

PS: Blair's intervention has not helped.

 

[The perfect fumble]

Corbyn is playing a blinder for those of us up here who want Indy 2 to succeed.

An absolute blinder, Messiesque.

I knew he would and just like Lionel, he’s delivering.

Being a Brexiteer himself, he is totally and utterly hogtied. And it shows.

Keep it up Agent Jezza, when it’s all done you can move up here. We won’t forget how you helped it all happen.

I'm not being sarcastic, but what does this mean?

 

[Magicpole]

I'm not being sarcastic, but what does this mean?

You will soon find out.

It’s in relation to how he is helping us reach Independence by showing he is no better than the Tories in relation to us wanting to remain.

And a pile of other stuff that is fucking us all off about his double standards regarding his heartfelt, lifelong beliefs that strangely don’t extend to us.

What’s left of the Labour vote up here, although few and deranged, are moving toward the SNP or the Greens and realize Labour are dead as a force. If he manages to get an election, the paltry half dozen seats they have up here will be lost.

So that was an homage to his attempts to help us get Indy.

 

[robbieh]

You will soon find out.

It’s in relation to how he is helping us reach Independence by showing he is no better than the Tories in relation to us wanting to remain.

And a pile of other stuff that is fucking us all off about his double standards regarding his heartfelt, lifelong beliefs that strangely don’t extend to us.

What’s left of the Labour vote up here, although few and deranged, are moving toward the SNP or the Greens and realize Labour are dead as a force. If he manages to get an election, the paltry half dozen seats they have up here will be lost.

So that was an homage to his attempts to help us get Indy.

What's the timescale on this and importantly do you think the EU will readmit you quickly.

A few years ago I'm guessing not. But the EU are presumably well fucked off with the English and would welcome an independent Scotland with open arms.

 

[aguero93:20]

What's the timescale on this and importantly do you think the EU will readmit you quickly.

A few years ago I'm guessing not. But the EU are presumably well fucked off with the English and would welcome an independent Scotland with open arms.

I'd hazard a guess that the EFTA would take an independent Scotland on like a shot, so the time lapse applying for full membership wouldn't be too bad.

 

[Magicpole]

What's the timescale on this and importantly do you think the EU will readmit you quickly.

A few years ago I'm guessing not. But the EU are presumably well fucked off with the English and would welcome an independent Scotland with open arms.

I don’t think we will have any issues when the EU know we voted 62% to remain. If I’m honest though, i’m still not totally convinced we will go for it, as there are so many people up here who love the royal family and the flag, mostly down to religious sectarianism and even if they knew we would be screwed, would still vote to stay.

So although Corbyn and his party are playing a blinder it may not be enough. There is a strong subservient group up here who lovee to tug their forelock to the Royal Family, which of course is entirely within their rights.

People are calling for Sturgeon to call one, but I would advise waiting. This shitfest hasn’t even begun. There is no need to go for it just yet. There is obviously the possibility, however remote that a people’s vote might be called. If that were to happen, a huge majority to stay would be returned and that could scupper things for us too. So, it’s a situation that is filled with danger. Go too soon and the pain might not be enough. Go too late and a new vote might convince people to stay under the boot of Westminster.

We have been totally disregarded in every sense, but, as I said, some people are totally subservient and “loyal” and my fear is there are enough of them to defeat Indy 2.

I hope I’m wrong, but sadly I don’t think so.