Are Labour a total shambles now as an opposition?

Magicpole said:
I don’t think we will have any issues when the EU know we voted 62% to remain. If I’m honest though, i’m still not totally convinced we will go for it, as there are so many people up here who love the royal family and the flag, mostly down to religious sectarianism and even if they knew we would be screwed, would still vote to stay.

So although Corbyn and his party are playing a blinder it may not be enough. There is a strong subservient group up here who lovee to tug their forelock to the Royal Family, which of course is entirely within their rights.

People are calling for Sturgeon to call one, but I would advise waiting. This shitfest hasn’t even begun. There is no need to go for it just yet. There is obviously the possibility, however remote that a people’s vote might be called. If that were to happen, a huge majority to stay would be returned and that could scupper things for us too. So, it’s a situation that is filled with danger. Go too soon and the pain might not be enough. Go too late and a new vote might convince people to stay under the boot of Westminster.

We have been totally disregarded in every sense, but, as I said, some people are totally subservient and “loyal” and my fear is there are enough of them to defeat Indy 2.

I hope I’m wrong, but sadly I don’t think so.
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Bit of a Catch 22 as you say.
But bearing in mind you got 45% last time when Cameron promised that the UK was staying in the EU, surely after the last 2 years of Mayhem which to me looks like we're leaving one way or another, you could reverse the percentages?
 
robbieh said:
Bit of a Catch 22 as you say.
But bearing in mind you got 45% last time when Cameron promised that the UK was staying in the EU, surely after the last 2 years of Mayhem which to me looks like we're leaving one way or another, you could reverse the percentages?
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The latest figures suggest it’s moved to 53%. That’s disappointing with all that’s going on. Perhaps as I said, when the shit really hits the fan that will increase. But, I wouldn’t be too confident that will happen for the reasons I outlined.
 
mat said:
In the mean time you can keep feeling threatened by a party that wants to help all rather than protect a rich few.
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Cheap words which unfortunately bear no resemblance to reality, as evidenced by the fact more people vote Conservative than they do Labour, and most people aren't "a rich few".

When that penny finally drops, and you get over your obsession with "the rich", maybe your lot might have a crack at government. Until then, you'll continue to come up with a narrative which alienates most voters.
 
Not a lot of point Labour risking a vote of No Confidence if they're in any doubt that some Tories will vote with the opposition, they'd lose and Mrs May would be in a stronger position. As for more people voting Labour, the problem has always been over intellectualising their policies so that people aren't prepared to wade through the detail. Instead a majority of voters rely on newspapers which are basically anti-Labour, so the picture is always distorted.
 
The best thing Corbyn has done for his electability is be ambiguous towards Brexit. I still doubt it will be enough which probably tells you all you need to know about him, less so the Labour Party who still have a number of highly intelligent, compassionate, and (hopefully) electable politicians.
 
The perfect fumble said:
He doesn't have the numbers to bring the government down.

Last Friday 117 Tory MPs voted to boot May out, with those numbers he could at least dislodge the Prime Minister in a no confidence vote, but in the space of 72 hours the honourable 117 have rediscovered their love for her.

The Brexit vote has now been postponed until January, while the government is herding Parliament in to three dead end options, May's plan, crash out, remain.

PS: Blair's intervention has not helped.
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Is this the same Jeremy Corbyn who lost a motion of no confidence by 197–40 in June 2016,
 
Fame Monster said:
The best thing Corbyn has done for his electability is be ambiguous towards Brexit. I still doubt it will be enough which probably tells you all you need to know about him, less so the Labour Party who still have a number of highly intelligent, compassionate, and (hopefully) electable politicians.
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