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Argentina v France - Sun 18th Dec, 15:00 | Final | World Cup 2022
- Thread starter MCFC1993
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Is it wrong that one of the reasons I want the Argies to win is because of my dislike of Ronaldo?
That's my third biggest reason, after wanting Alvarez to win it and wanting Otamendi to win it.
My fourth biggest is wanting Mbappe to not win it again.
Exactly.Agreed he isn't, but I'd ask 214 million Brazilians.
I'm old enough to have seen Maradona and Pele and they were the tops.
Stoned Rose
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But he's not.
Ask 45 million Argentinians and they’ll give you the correct answer
I work with 2 lads from Buenos Aries (father and son) and both say Messi edges it.
Alright.I work with 2 lads from Buenos Aries (father and son) and both say Messi edges it.
45 million minus 2.
But he's not.
Ask 45 million Argentinians and they’ll give you the correct answer
What are the actual arguments for it being Maradona though?
- He won a World Cup and Messi hasn't...
... that's it. And that record might not even last until Monday morning.
Maradona was an exceptional technician, incredibly entertaining to watch and often the player who dragged his team through games when they were struggling. Messi is all of those things AND a far better goalscorer AND a better assister.
Maradona retired about 25 years ago. In 25 years, I think most Argentinians will recognise Messi as being the better player. Nostalgia is a hell of a thing, that's why half the clowns in England are still pretending Gerrard was better than De Bruyne.
It's not Maradona people are in love with, it's the memory of how much better they think football used to be in the 90s.
Also, I don't doubt that many Argentinians would call Maradona the best of all time, but they aren't unbiased. It's well known that Messi is quite unpopular with many Argentinians for reasons that have nothing to do with football. I should probably have led with that to be honest.
And what are your arguments for it being Messi?What are the actual arguments for it being Maradona though?
And what are your arguments for it being Messi?
Far more goals, far more assists, a far better trophy cabinet, significantly better longevity, far better record in the Champions League... just about everything that really matters in football. Maradona undoubtedly has a better record in the World Cup and that is literally the only area in which he edges Messi.
Stick Messi with that Napoli and Argentinian team along with an addiction problem and he wouldn't have been up to Maradona standard.Far more goals, far more assists, a far better trophy cabinet, significantly better longevity, far better record in the Champions League.
My grand daughter insists that One Direction were better than The Beatles and quotes stats off Google like record sales, hits on Spotify and good looks.
There is nothing wrong with your points above but I've seen them both at their best and worst and know who I'd want to see.
Messi is a superb player, the best thats been around in the" Sky TV" era.
I cannot see anyone coming close to Messi at the moment but my opinion he is still behind Pele and Maradona.
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Stick Messi with that Napoli and Argentinian team along with an addiction problem and he wouldn't have been up to Maradona standard.
My grand daughter insists that One Direction were better than The Beatles and quotes stats off Google like record sales, hits on Spotify and good looks.
There is nothing wrong with your points above but I've seen them both at their best and worst and know who I'd want to see.
Messi is a superb player, the best thats been around in the" Sky TV" era.
I cannot see anyone coming close to Messi at the moment but my opinion he is still behind Pele and Maradona.
Messi didn't have an addiction problem, and he was never forced to drop down to a Napoli-level side, and it seems incredibly unfair to mark him down for that.
Otherwise we might as well hold our hands up and say that Pep is not as good a manager as Klopp. After all, he's never done it at a weaker side.
But also, the young people's on the Beatles is objectively wrong, and we can go back and verify it by listening to every single song the Beatles ever released and confirming that yep, it's better than One Direction's bullshit. If we want to watch Maradona, we mostly have to watch videos of his highlights, that were made specifically to show off how great he was, so we don't remember the bad times like we do with Messi.