Arsenal (H) | Post Match Thread

train man said:
I think he says "you shouldn't have ducked out of that wall you shithouse"
But, yes, Nasri did have some redeeming moments, including that scorcher at wembley etc, but could have been so much more over his time.
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Ah fair enough I'll give him that. That pissed me off for ages n all.
 
Jam Tomorrow said:
I still find it odd watching a game where I know the referee is dishonest. With Oliver we have seen him in action enough to know exactly what he’s like. He’s not daft, he must know we also know the agenda. In a way I feel sorry for him and Taylor and Twatwell and the other cartel stooges. They have sold their integrity to move up the greasy career pole. Truly shameless.
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I thought Oliver was waiting for an Arsenal runner to graze one of our defenders so he could give a pen. He gave us nothing - we expected it. But as for Taylor, United season ticket holding brothers and all, I actually think he's one of the better and more honest refs - seems to make fewer mistakes than most. But then again, the bar for refs in this country isn't high. Simon Hooper gets stick from some, but he seems to be one of the better ones - not easily influenced by the big personalities. Unfortunately, any refs who seem decent are only seen as the best of a bad bunch.
 
HarrytheBlue said:
I thought Oliver was waiting for an Arsenal runner to graze one of our defenders so he could give a pen. He gave us nothing - we expected it. But as for Taylor, United season ticket holding brothers and all, I actually think he's one of the better and more honest refs - seems to make fewer mistakes than most. But then again, the bar for refs in this country isn't high. Simon Hooper gets stick from some, but he seems to be one of the better ones - not easily influenced by the big personalities. Unfortunately, any refs who seem decent are only seen as the best of a bad bunch.
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Refs are not biased. If you take a step back and assess that every single team thinks refs give them nothing then maybe you have to conclude that mistakes are made, but they are not intentional there’s certainly no conspiracy.
 
VB11 said:
Still can't get over the win yesterday hahaha. KDB produced arguably the best performance in PL history. Haaland also very complete performance. Grealish cooked Ben White. Gundogan found space between the lines a lot and helped us progress the ball. Akanji kept Saka quiet surprisingly.

The thing which impressed me the most was how we controlled space off-the-ball. Martinelli was only limited to 11 touches and Saka did nothing of note. Best defensive performance of this season for me. I don't even remember Arsenal getting into zone 14 lol.

Pep changed the build-up from 3-2-4-1 to 4-2-4 in this game to have overload and it did wonders. This is the first time we played like this the entire year. Either we had a spare man in back 4 or KDB was free b/w the lines. Pep used De Zerbian principles of baiting the press to then create artificial transitions. We had KDB and Haaland - 2 of the best players EVER in transitions.
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It was classic Pep - John, Ruben, Kyle, Manuel all planting their feet on the ball beckoning Arsenal to come forward and try and steal the ball off us, counter-intuitive passes to players who were being marked, recycling the ball on one side of the pitch until they lost their shape and switching the ball to the opposite flank. Arsenal were chasing shadows.
M Gaudino said:
Refs are not biased. If you take a step back and assess that every single team thinks refs give them nothing then maybe you have to conclude that mistakes are made, but they are not intentional there’s certainly no conspiracy.
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HarrytheBlue said:
It was classic Pep - John, Ruben, Kyle, Manuel all planting their feet on the ball beckoning Arsenal to come forward and try and steal the ball off us, counter-intuitive passes to players who were being marked, recycling the ball on one side of the pitch until they lost their shape and switching the ball to the opposite flank. .......... and the odd long ball to Thor thrown in. Arsenal were chasing shadows.
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Some refs seem to find it harder to do what they think is right when they have players and stadiums screaming at them.
 
ancoats said:
having rewatched the game and wondering why I was having some before-game fears, I must hold my hands up and say this Manchester City Squad 22/23 is just about the best I have ever watched, We are so strong and every player has their part to play and believe in Pep and the setup,

One player stood out BIG TIME last night In the beliefs in the plan, JACK GREALISH, That running back to help the defence when Saka broke and it was Jack's tackle that stopped the play, it was truly magical to watch, that spoke volumes about what you have to do just to get into this squad, Quality alone is not enough, that desire to work for your teammates and run and run and put that one tackle in is everything this squad is all about,

We are going into games leaving nothing behind on the pitch after the final whistle, you have to drag our players off kicking and fighting tooth and nail, It's like we are not going to take 2nd best against anybody
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I was just thinking about that,
he was running full tilt for half the pitch to get back and tackle, and then set up the play and break for our attack.
Absolutely amazing Roy of the Rovers stuff, brilliant.

These are things that prevent the oppo' scoring, they don't get the chance to even create a goal scoring opportunity.
 
SebastianBlue said:
Partey takes Kev’s legs out. His leading foot ends up between Kev’s legs, the foot catches Kev’s plant ankle, and Partey’s body goes through Kev, sending him flying as Kev tries to avoid getting his ankle broken. He didn’t play the ball, he was cleaning out Kev.

It’s a foul by Partey anywhere else on the pitch and probably a yellow on top.

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Imo that is not a penalty or at least shouldn't be. A few years ago I was livid because Liverpool got a penalty for something similar (as far as i remember).

Imo the rule should be that if you get between the ball and a player and they kick you then it's a foul against them. As long as Party didnt (without doubt) kick or stand on DeBruyne's right foot then he should be given the benefit of the doubt.

Just my opinion.
 
TonyM said:
Imo that is not a penalty or at least shouldn't be. A few years ago I was livid because Liverpool got a penalty for something similar (as far as i remember).

Imo the rule should be that if you get between the ball and a player and they kick you then it's a foul against them. As long as Party didnt (without doubt) kick or stand on DeBruyne's right foot then he should be given the benefit of the doubt.

Just my opinion.
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He did hit Kev’s standing leg before Kev kicked through.
 
SebastianBlue said:
He did hit Kev’s standing leg before Kev kicked through.
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I can't tell for sure that he did (from the clips I've seen) so imo the ref was right to call it as he did in real-time. And Var were right to say it wasn't "clearly" incorrect.

What bugs me though is why a ref can't run to the monitor and take a closer look from another perspective for all the big decisions. Surely it couldn't take more than a few minutes each time and in a normal game there would be only a few anyway. They take long enough to fix their equipment every few games and the sky doesn't fall in on the world as a result..

VAR is crap imo because its not allowing the refs to make the call. I'd prefer the game to be 30 minutes longer than to have ridiculous decisions like the non-penalties in Liverpool's favour in the past few games.

Also I think the refs should be miked up so we hear (and accept regardless) their logic. If they want to be respected they should man up and speak up. They are like frightened actors before the talkies took over.

IMO the PL teams are also to blame though because they could easily band together to insist that the officiating is vastly improved. Instead they moan here and there while being shafted by incompetence or worse.
 
random thought from watching the highlights ... both of Kev's goals were top-spin grass cutters, even Haaland appeared to effort a low shot when he scored late ... wonder if the staff noticed a Ramsdale weakness for low shots and suggested it as a strat
 
ysmsa said:
I was just thinking about that,
he was running full tilt for half the pitch to get back and tackle, and then set up the play and break for our attack.
Absolutely amazing Roy of the Rovers stuff, brilliant.

These are things that prevent the oppo' scoring, they don't get the chance to even create a goal scoring opportunity.
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When he arrived he must have thought wtf! when he saw how much off the ball pressing was expected, now he’s one of our best at it.
 
TonyM said:
Imo that is not a penalty or at least shouldn't be. A few years ago I was livid because Liverpool got a penalty for something similar (as far as i remember).

Imo the rule should be that if you get between the ball and a player and they kick you then it's a foul against them. As long as Party didnt (without doubt) kick or stand on DeBruyne's right foot then he should be given the benefit of the doubt.

Just my opinion.
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Not a penalty, it would suck if such a penalty was given against us, in all fairness, it was a good maneuver to deny KDB like that
 
TonyM said:
Imo that is not a penalty or at least shouldn't be. A few years ago I was livid because Liverpool got a penalty for something similar (as far as i remember).

Imo the rule should be that if you get between the ball and a player and they kick you then it's a foul against them. As long as Party didnt (without doubt) kick or stand on DeBruyne's right foot then he should be given the benefit of the doubt.

Just my opinion.
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I agree too.
It’s done at the corner flag at the end of every game.
 
One angle - Oliver's - suggests Partey got his foot planted next to the ball then Kev's swing of the foot to shoot meant he kicked Partey. But did Partey kick Kev's leg before planting his foot? (He didn't have much control and looked to looking at Kev rather than the ball.) From the limited views we've seen, even if it was a mistake, I don't think VAR could say it was a clear and obvious error.

Whether they'd have said the same if he'd given the penalty, one can only guess.
 
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