Article 50/Brexit Negotiations

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There may be, there may be not, the SMMT are not the ones who make the rules, so again just supposition.
There will be a tariff on imported EU goods if that happened too.

No those are rules of the WTO not the SMMT I agree however rules is rules. Thing is if there are tariffs both ways it would make cars more expensive in both areas. Sales of imported cars could fall in both regions as a result. However whilst German cars would be more expensive here UK built cars would be more expensive in the EU so in both cases the answer would be to make up the shortfall in export sales in the home market by exploiting the gap left by the drop off in sales of imported cars.

Put simply for every sale of a Skoda Kodiak or VW Touran lost in the UK due to prices hiked by tariffs then for example Nissan could exploit that gap with sales of what would be a more competitive Quashquai built in the UK market. The same would apply in the EU of course where the Quashquai would be more expensive due to tariffs so Skoda and VW could exploit those lost sales with their more competitively priced cars.

Here's the rub though......under that set of circumstances UK manufactured cars would only be non-tariff and extra competitive in one market - the UK. EU produced cars would have an advantage across the EU - 27 different markets. 2016 saw 2.69m car sales in the UK and 15.1m in the EU
 
LOL. So a referendum on the minute, technical details of a political deal is fine, with 2nd preferences thrown in for good measure but a straight in/out referendum is too complex for voters. Got it. Very European of you.

If you read my origanal post you will that see I didnt say that there should be a 2nd referendum, just that if there were to be one it should offer 3 choices.
 
Nissan UK sell no cars to the EU. They sell them to the Swiss Division as an intra-company transfer then the Swiss sell them into Europe. I expect other manufacturers in the UK will do the same. Having said that the pound to euro has dropped 12% already offsetting the 10% maximum EU tariff. Which is one reason why our exports are rising. Even before the referendum the world's laziest central banker was saying the pound was overvalued so the pound is finding it's real value.
Ah, so no worries on either count then.
 
I feel sure that Nissan, who have confirmed plant expansion, have a better idea on how to conduct
business post Brexit than you do. Tell me where the EU has said it will slap an import levy on
British built cars.


Depends on your view of what will happen post Brexit. Most leavers seem to be of the opinion that the UK holds a strong hand at the negotiating table ..... i don't believe that to be the case. They will allow us to import what they want and they will export to us what they want to.

Bearing in mind we wanted to regain 'control' (whatever that is) it would seem that we have just thrown away the best trade deal ever together with the jobs that went with that.

The EU will only give us the scraps off the table Im afraid ,,,,,,,
 
3rd referendum.

Everyone knows the EU way is to keep voting until they get the result they want.
It's the EU way. I see they were chastising Poland yesterday about a lack of democracy. Which is nearly as funny as when the unelected leader of the EU met the unelected leader of Ukraine to complain about an election in Crimea.
 
The EU may possibly be a busted flush with Poland and Hungary putting two fingers up at them now. We'll see just what the EU agenda is when it starts to shrink and they try to hold on to power.
 
Depends on your view of what will happen post Brexit. Most leavers seem to be of the opinion that the UK holds a strong hand at the negotiating table ..... i don't believe that to be the case. They will allow us to import what they want and they will export to us what they want to.

Bearing in mind we wanted to regain 'control' (whatever that is) it would seem that we have just thrown away the best trade deal ever together with the jobs that went with that.

The EU will only give us the scraps off the table Im afraid ,,,,,,,
The EU will only give us this, the EU won't give us that. Everything from remainers is predicated on an
assumption that we must tremble in fear at what the bureaucracy of a so called trading club has decided to impose.
There is a school of thought that the EU will not allow Britain to leave the EU without penalties, or others might get the
same idea and decide to up sticks. Put yourself in the position of car makers, wine growers, flower sellers, cheese makers
etc; etc; in the EU who are, at present, dealing with UK businesses, quite happily.
Then some pipsqueak from Luxembourg tells them that because their customer has decided to leave, and he is going to
'Punish' them by imposing tariffs, making red tape more complicated, and generally making life difficult; all you
EU businesses relying on UK trade will have to suffer, because us Brussels people said so.
Nothing of great import like this has happened yet, and I very much doubt it will, business is the driver of everything.
 
Unfortunately for all concerned throughout Europe that is precisely what Brussels will say.

The project is much more important to the people in charge of it than the lives of their citizens.

Nothing and I mean nothing will be allowed to derail the European superstate
 
The EU will only give us this, the EU won't give us that. Everything from remainers is predicated on an
assumption that we must tremble in fear at what the bureaucracy of a so called trading club has decided to impose.
There is a school of thought that the EU will not allow Britain to leave the EU without penalties, or others might get the
same idea and decide to up sticks. Put yourself in the position of car makers, wine growers, flower sellers, cheese makers
etc; etc; in the EU who are, at present, dealing with UK businesses, quite happily.
Then some pipsqueak from Luxembourg tells them that because their customer has decided to leave, and he is going to
'Punish' them by imposing tariffs, making red tape more complicated, and generally making life difficult; all you
EU businesses relying on UK trade will have to suffer, because us Brussels people said so.
Nothing of great import like this has happened yet, and I very much doubt it will, business is the driver of everything.

German car industry have all ready stated they will support whatever the EU decides.
 
The EU will only give us this, the EU won't give us that. Everything from remainers is predicated on an
assumption that we must tremble in fear at what the bureaucracy of a so called trading club has decided to impose.
There is a school of thought that the EU will not allow Britain to leave the EU without penalties, or others might get the
same idea and decide to up sticks. Put yourself in the position of car makers, wine growers, flower sellers, cheese makers
etc; etc; in the EU who are, at present, dealing with UK businesses, quite happily.
Then some pipsqueak from Luxembourg tells them that because their customer has decided to leave, and he is going to
'Punish' them by imposing tariffs, making red tape more complicated, and generally making life difficult; all you
EU businesses relying on UK trade will have to suffer, because us Brussels people said so.
Nothing of great import like this has happened yet, and I very much doubt it will, business is the driver of everything.
Hello Ancient, which bit of 'we can't have the all the benefits of tariff free frictionless trade without accepting the EU rules on immigration,ECJ, budget payments etc' don't you understand?
Len
 
Hello Ancient, which bit of 'we can't have the all the benefits of tariff free frictionless trade without accepting the EU rules on immigration,ECJ, budget payments etc' don't you understand?
Len
Good morning Len. As we have just voted to reject EU rules, the ECJ and budget payments, in a referendum,
then, I think it is self evident that their rules were understood. We are now in discussions on whether a mutual
agreement can be made in order to facilitate future trade with the EU, how that will pan out, as yet, we don't know,
but I keep seeing on here how we won't get this, we'll not get that, we'll never get the other.
If, in a couple of years we don't get anything like a reasonable deal, and we do indeed bow the knee to Juncker and Co,
and meekly accept, in true Cameron style, then I'll accept that the collective of naysayers had a point.
Until then, we wait and see.
 
I highly doubt it.
Well, if you think that the referendum was won solely by hordes of Chipping Sodbury womens institute
members, and that the traditional working class tradesmen all demanded that this country stays in,
I'm afraid any predictions about rioting in the streets mean very little.
 
Good morning Len. As we have just voted to reject EU rules, the ECJ and budget payments, in a referendum,
then, I think it is self evident that their rules were understood. We are now in discussions on whether a mutual
agreement can be made in order to facilitate future trade with the EU, how that will pan out, as yet, we don't know,
but I keep seeing on here how we won't get this, we'll not get that, we'll never get the other.
If, in a couple of years we don't get anything like a reasonable deal, and we do indeed bow the knee to Juncker and Co,
and meekly accept, in true Cameron style, then I'll accept that the collective of naysayers had a point.
Until then, we wait and see.

What are you waiting to see? Hoping that some future deal will undo the damage being done before we get near a deal?

http://www.am-online.com/news/marke...in-UK-new-car-registrations---down-9--in-July
 
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