Article 50/Brexit Negotiations

[vonkeynotvenky]

A lot of wishful thinking on this thread Brexit will go ahead in a constructive way and at a pace the country can adapt to.

 

[Bigga]

Is my question complicated in relation to austerity and quantitative easing...??

I'm quite surprised nobody has opted to answer it!

 

[Tim of the Oak]

A lot of wishful thinking on this thread Brexit will go ahead in a constructive way and at a pace the country can adapt to.

I think our Government's Strategy will include making a half hearted attempt to agree a softer Brexit and then try to blame the EU when the other Countries reject what we offer in the negotiations.

 

[Vic]

Sticking two fingers up at the 52% isn't the answer. They're just not going to take that lying down.

They took down that lying that we'd save £350m a week.

 

[yerwot?]

When.the penny drops, and those who voted on the promise of sending all them nasty foreigners back and closing the door on any more and the nhs getting millions of pounds, was nothing but lies, there are going to be some harsh words about it. The brexit poll was the dirtiest trick to have been inflicted on the electorate since the right to buy stitch-up. For every council house sold, we will build another to replace it (will we fuck ) and they never did . And the media ignored it. When the public were asked to vote on leaving the EU, the media plumbed new depths even for them, in a campaign that lied lied and lied again. Doubts about brexit? you are a remoaner, democracy dictates that the 2% margin is enough. Never mind the consequences (job losses inflation etc) the die has been cast Irony at it's most bitter as those who voted to leave to end immigration will not live to see it happen, those who voted to take back control ( ffs) will find the only taking back of control will be by the boardrooms of the multinationals rolling back workers rights which has been their aim from the start.

 

[Vic]

Apparently dropping from €80BN a month to €60BN!

That's nice, eh?

You know, I read that this easing has boosted the European markets!!

So, is that a false inflation or not?

Is anyone prepared to explain it (less the one clown), so we understand what's what?

I know there are financial wizards aplenty, on here.

Cheers.

Expert, moi? An A level in Economics many many years ago?

Well, basically the central bank creates money which we end up owing them. If we owe them so much that we can't afford to buy things they create more. Plenty of online explanations of the money supply system.

Here's the official Bank of England version:
http://www.bankofengland.co.uk/monetarypolicy/pages/qe/default.aspx
complete with a little video.

The ECB is creating money to buy bonds - the 60m Euro a month rather than 80m means doing it for less each month but for longer than planned.

Whether it's a good thing or not (and for whom) is why George Bernard Shaw said: "If all economists were laid end to end, they would not reach a conclusion."

 

[Tim of the Oak]

NHS leaders launched a Brexit alliance last week at the NHS Confederation Conference. Nobody is asking for the election to be re-run. It is more about working with the Goverment to help to mitigate the damage Brexit is doing e.g. the 96 percent reduction in nursing applications from the EU.

The NHS should have been doing more to develop the homegrown workforce but it will struggle to cope with the disappearing EU supply for the foreseeable future.

 

[Cheadle_hulmeBlue]

When.the penny drops, and those who voted on the promise of sending all them nasty foreigners back and closing the door on any more and the nhs getting millions of pounds, was nothing but lies, there are going to be some harsh words about it. The brexit poll was the dirtiest trick to have been inflicted on the electorate since the right to buy stitch-up. For every council house sold, we will build another to replace it (will we fuck ) and they never did . And the media ignored it. When the public were asked to vote on leaving the EU, the media plumbed new depths even for them, in a campaign that lied lied and lied again. Doubts about brexit? you are a remoaner, democracy dictates that the 2% margin is enough. Never mind the consequences (job losses inflation etc) the die has been cast Irony at it's most bitter as those who voted to leave to end immigration will not live to see it happen, those who voted to take back control ( ffs) will find the only taking back of control will be by the boardrooms of the multinationals rolling back workers rights which has been their aim from the start.

im guessing your a remainer haha

 

[Cheadle_hulmeBlue]

Ok. personally I think a lot of people in the Tory party are beginning to get the jitters. The reality is beginning to dawn as to what a disaster this really is for the country. If they could have their way without any adverse consequenses or alternatively, blame it on someone else, I think they would bin it today. You can see that in the changing language of the politicians. In my opinion they are looking for ways to row back and dress it up as Brexit. You can bet your life there will be meetings going on behind closed doors as to how this can be acheived. I may be a bit premature in making a prediction but I think Brexit, in the form that most people visualised it, i.e the UK putting two fingers up to the EU and making a clean break, with an end to immigration and making up for it with the UK doing deals with governments all over the world, is largely dead. All that will happen now is that the government will backtrack with it's tail between it's legs and dress it up to the Brexiteers as some kind of victory.

in your opinion, rather then be doom and gloom about it, see the potential opportunities it gives us. the changing in language is mainly coming from politicians who want the uk to remain in the eu. the dominant voices in the media right now are soubry, gina miller, allister campbell and people like that- prominent remainers. In the main most others and both parties are committed to leaving the single market. if we dont leave that they wouldn't be able to dress it up as some kind of victory, as that wouldn't be leaving and most people know that. Corbyn, mcdonnel and emily thornberry all recognize that as well ( media apparenaces the last few days), as did the labour manifesto.

there is some wishful thinking from remainers on this thread haha

 

[goalmole]

in your opinion, rather then be doom and gloom about it, see the potential opportunities it gives us. the changing in language is mainly coming from politicians who want the uk to remain in the eu. the dominant voices in the media right now are soubry, gina miller, allister campbell and people like that- prominent remainers. In the main most others and both parties are committed to leaving the single market. if we dont leave that they wouldn't be able to dress it up as some kind of victory, as that wouldn't be leaving and most people know that. Corbyn, mcdonnel and emily thornberry all recognize that as well ( media apparenaces the last few days), as did the labour manifesto.

there is some wishful thinking from remainers on this thread haha

I'm glad you find amusement in the comments of people whom you might describe as Remainers. However if you stop sneering and take off your Brexit glasses for a few minutes and find out what the politicians are saying you will see that they are already changing the goalposts. True the Labour party is committed to leave but if you look beyond the headline you willsee that things are rather different. Chuka Umunna in an article has said that no way would the Labour party sacrifice the economy at the altar of lower immigration. This is the link https://www.theguardian.com/comment...-clear-brexit-single-market-membership-brexit, Straight from the horses mouth. It quotes Barry Gardiner, the Labour shadow Brexit secretary as saying that a reformed single market and customs union couldn't be ruled out. The links are in the Chuka Umunna article, I cant be arsed typing all the relevant points out, read it for yourself.
As for the Tories, it's going to depend on what the MP's decide they want to do. What May thinks isn't even relevant anymore. She has lost the power to drive through her vision of Brexit. That's why she called the election in the first place, to shore up her position. She will do what the party wants her to do, parliament will vote it through and all the shit will be made to cling to her before she is pushed off the edge of a cliff with all the blame attached. I'll give you a another link, https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jun/16/philip-hammond-brexit-talks-brussels-uk-eu.
Then we come to the DUP and Northen Ireland question. I defy anybody to unravel the conundrum of the Northern Ireland border without causing a) unification or b) a rejection of a hard border by Sinn Fein and therefore the IRA thereby putting peace in Northern Ireland in jeopardy.
It really isn't as simple or as cut and dried as Brexiteers would like to believe. There is a long way to go but the signs are already there that the tide is turning.
I'll reiterate my prediction once more so you can have another laugh at the Remainers expense: it will be an arrangement that in the main will be remain( something resembling the single market, customs union and free movement included) with a few tweaks and the government swearing blind that what they've got is Brexit albeit a Soft Brexit or a Jobs First Brexit or call it what you want. I dont expect you to agree with me but at least have a good think before you laugh.