Article 50/Brexit Negotiations

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Gelsons Dad said:
As this is already done in the UK as a member of the EU there is no reason to think that given the reform act will not change any of the current legislation that the current practices should overnight be rejected by the EU.
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I know you don't want to accept this but it is a fact, if we were to leave right now all UK goods would immediately be non compliant. Lorries would be backed up for miles filling in paper work to prove their goods were EU compliant, they would then arrive in France where there's presently no infrastructure, no customs officers, no logistical set up whatsoever to process them and it's the same in all the other European ports.
 
The perfect fumble said:
I know you don't want to accept this but it is a fact, if we were to leave right now all UK goods would immediately be non compliant. Lorries would be backed up for miles filling in paper work to prove their goods were EU compliant, they would then arrive in France where there's presently no infrastructure, no customs officers, no logistical set up whatsoever to process them and it's the same in all the other European ports.
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I know you are determined to make your point. However, the goods would be compliant, hence the paperwork exercise you describe. Now if the EU were to take this position on day 1 what do you think would be happening to the even greater number of lorries heading the other way?
 
what is most striking is through the campaign on busses and in speeches we were told how we would gain from Brexit - now we are told ( from all sides ) there will be economic pain from Brexit and all sides are jockeying to show they have the least painful offer
 
bluethrunthru said:
what is most striking is through the campaign on busses and in speeches we were told how we would gain from Brexit - now we are told ( from all sides ) there will be economic pain from Brexit and all sides are jockeying to show they have the least painful offer
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Would you like to put a price on democracy so we can do a proper loss gain analysis?
 
Vic said:
Well we wouldn't be starting from the inanity of doing away with freedom of movement as a thick red line. Accept that it is a stupid stance, and leaving the EU becomes a lot easier. The only thing likely to reduce net immigration is a deteriorating UK economy, and it looks at the moment like Brexit will achieve that. Really, don't expect Remainers to forget all the sound arguments against leaving and suddenly adopt the policies we knew and said would be bad for Britain. Oh, sorry, I forgot that's how May got to be PM.
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ever though of standing for election ?
 
jonmcity said:
Millions of jobs went in manufacturing and mining, no one seemed to bat an eye lid. The countryside can look after itself.
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Oddly enough I saw a thing in the last few months where it was said that despite the decline in heavy industry there are now more people in work in the Tyne and Wear area than were in the 1970's. I think at the time people did bat an eyelid - remember Coal not Dole? The important thing is to replace lost jobs - thats easier in an urban area with prospective employees on your doorstep but not as easy with people scattered wide over the countryside.
 
Gelsons Dad said:
I know you are determined to make your point. However, the goods would be compliant, hence the paperwork exercise you describe. Now if the EU were to take this position on day 1 what do you think would be happening to the even greater number of lorries heading the other way?
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So now we're talking trade wars, tit for tat. This is not the language of serious people.
 
I've had a revelation. May gets a thumping majority, having seen off UKIP by stealing the hard brexit / cliff edge clothes and satiated her own party's eurosceptics (Major's bastards). Once elected, with a whole new bunch of pragmatic MPs, she's free to negotiate the best deal possible - and that suddenly becomes one where doing away with freedom of movement isn't such a red line.

Wouldn't that be interesting?
 
Vic said:
I've had a revelation. May gets a thumping majority, having seen off UKIP by stealing the hard brexit / cliff edge clothes and satiated her own party's eurosceptics (Major's bastards). Once elected, with a whole new bunch of pragmatic MPs, she's free to negotiate the best deal possible - and that suddenly becomes one where doing away with freedom of movement isn't such a red line.

Wouldn't that be interesting?
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Dreaming is free :)
 
mcfc1632 said:
You would have thought that he might have learned something from Obama's meddling
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It would appear that May saw this fucker coming a mile off and was more than happy to lend him rope.
Let's see how much longer he'll be allowed to be a face and voice in forthcoming negotiations before the leaders of the 27 see him as a total liability. It'll be fun while he lasts.
 
"So ultimately, those kippers who complained about elites ruling the country end up voting conservative?"
 
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