Give us the reference then, so we can all see why it's cobblers.
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Give us the reference then, so we can all see why it's cobblers.
Dave Ewing's Back 'eader
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There is little to change. We export the same shit that we import. In the service sector it's much the same with some notable exceptions. But to be clear even the EU is not able to properly explain the financial markets as the figures from various national bodies don't tally.
What will change is the consumer. When face with the choice of a German car at twice the price of a British built (probably Japanese) car they will buy British.
I don't think Mercedes, Volkswagen and Audi would be happy with Jean-Claude's handling if it turned out like that. They'll have to turn their face eastwards and sell all those Mercs et al to Latvia, Estonia or Romania.
Gelsons Dad
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Give us the reference then, so we can all see why it's cobblers.
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/RegData/etudes/STUD/2017/595374/IPOL_STU(2017)595374_EN.pdf
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bluethrunthru
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I don't think Mercedes, Volkswagen and Audi would be happy with Jean-Claude's handling if it turned out like that. They'll have to turn their face eastwards and sell all those Mercs et al to Latvia, Estonia or Romania.
You missed off BMW but there you go - the myth that German car makers will dictate the terms of Brexit.
The Light Was Yellow Sir
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Let's assume that document is true. The first page:http://www.europarl.europa.eu/RegData/etudes/STUD/2017/595374/IPOL_STU(2017)595374_EN.pdf
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This paper, managed by the Policy Department on Economic and Scientific Policies for the Committee on Internal Market and Consumer Protection, assesses the likely impact of Brexit on EU27, together with some scenarios for the terms of the UK’s secession. For the EU 27, the losses are found to be virtually insignificant, and hardly noticed in the aggregate. By contrast, for the UK, the losses could be highly significant, over ten times greater as a share of GDP. Impacts on various Member States – in particular Ireland – and sectors in the EU27 could be more pronounced.
Stiil, I'm sure it'll all be alright.......
bluethrunthru
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Amber Rudd on the radio today said that the reports of the dinner time spat between May and Juncker were "probably accurate". Getting very little reporting in news outlets - I assume she misspoke ?
bluethrunthru
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Let's assume that document is true. The first page:
This paper, managed by the Policy Department on Economic and Scientific Policies for the Committee on Internal Market and Consumer Protection, assesses the likely impact of Brexit on EU27, together with some scenarios for the terms of the UK’s secession. For the EU 27, the losses are found to be virtually insignificant, and hardly noticed in the aggregate. By contrast, for the UK, the losses could be highly significant, over ten times greater as a share of GDP. Impacts on various Member States – in particular Ireland – and sectors in the EU27 could be more pronounced.
Stiil, I'm sure it'll all be alright.......
but....but ...there's all those lost Greman car sales - won't that cripple Germany and have Merkel on bended knee begging us?
The Light Was Yellow Sir
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I love this bit.but....but ...there's all those lost Greman car sales - won't that cripple Germany and have Merkel on bended knee begging us?
As regards the EU budget, the UK’s withdrawal is likely to leave a ‘hole’ of about €9 billion annually, which might be offset to some extent by a continuing contribution by the UK if it were agreed to secure a high degree or market access, or from tariff revenues if the relationship would be based just on WTO membership terms.
smudgedj
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The FT is reporting the EU has upped their "bill" to 100 billion. lol
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blueinsa
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The FT is reporting the EU has upped their "bill" to 100 billion. lol
I think they should make it £1,000,000,000,000,000
Bwhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.
That will teach those pesky Englishmen.
Fucking jokers.
smudgedj
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We should claim our EU assets and rent them out to the Russians lolI think they should make it £1,000,000,000,000,000
Bwhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.
That will teach those pesky Englishmen.
Fucking jokers.
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blueinsa
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We should claim our EU assets and rent them out to the Russians lol
What the EU just doesnt get and never did is this just adds more steel to the British public and empowers may and the government during the negotiations.
TCIB
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2017/05/02/belgian-finance-minister-warns-eu-change-die/
WARNING: common sense being spoken.
WARNING: common sense being spoken.
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/RegData/etudes/STUD/2017/595374/IPOL_STU(2017)595374_EN.pdf
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You said, "Oh and we may also rid ourselves of the estimated (1 million) EDIT: this should read 1 hundred thousand. The EU document I took it from goes on to state that the 1 million figure includes students and unknown. Appologise for the error. EU citizens who are currently unemployed and claiming benefits in the UK. There are virtually no UK citizens doing the same in the EU.
Edited to clarify the 1 million Eu citizens who are not either working or retired."
So - let's be clear. There are not a million EU citizens claiming benefits. Is there anything in that study about benefits at all? (Apart from the benefits of EU membership.) Then you imply the articles I cited are suspect - yet with no evidence you claim that "virtually no UK citizens claiming benefits in the EU", which seems totally untrue (30,000 claiming unemployment benefits - about 2.5% of Brits in the EU, same proportion as EU citizens in the UK). The million not working or retired seems to include students and children and presumably non-working spouses.
So dubious statistics about benefits, but you want us to "rid ourselves" of that million - a phrase which says more than the dodgy stats.
From a study about how bad Brexit will be for the UK, you do seem to have been looking for a peculiar (and false) interpretation.
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I know from personal experience of Brits on benefits in France.
And they really piss off the locals.
And they really piss off the locals.
smudgedj
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It clearly states in that supplied link that there are 102,000 EU citizens claiming benefits which he edited his post to show. Also the same paragraph in the pdf goes to show there are no British on European benefits. (Which I find hard to believe however) You can't shoot the messenger for using an extract of an up to date European study (march 2017) commissioned by the beloved European Parliament.You said, "Oh and we may also rid ourselves of the estimated (1 million) EDIT: this should read 1 hundred thousand. The EU document I took it from goes on to state that the 1 million figure includes students and unknown. Appologise for the error. EU citizens who are currently unemployed and claiming benefits in the UK. There are virtually no UK citizens doing the same in the EU.
Edited to clarify the 1 million Eu citizens who are not either working or retired."
So - let's be clear. There are not a million EU citizens claiming benefits. Is there anything in that study about benefits at all? (Apart from the benefits of EU membership.) Then you imply the articles I cited are suspect - yet with no evidence you claim that "virtually no UK citizens claiming benefits in the EU", which seems totally untrue (30,000 claiming unemployment benefits - about 2.5% of Brits in the EU, same proportion as EU citizens in the UK). The million not working or retired seems to include students and children and presumably non-working spouses.
So dubious statistics about benefits, but you want us to "rid ourselves" of that million - a phrase which says more than the dodgy stats.
From a study about how bad Brexit will be for the UK, you do seem to have been looking for a peculiar (and false) interpretation.
bluethrunthru
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2017/05/02/belgian-finance-minister-warns-eu-change-die/
WARNING: common sense being spoken.
Tax and Spend Theresa in that article is filmed out "campaigning" in an empty factory in Cornwall. Its a fucking joke - she wouldn't know a real person from a stick.
Gelsons Dad
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You said, "Oh and we may also rid ourselves of the estimated (1 million) EDIT: this should read 1 hundred thousand. The EU document I took it from goes on to state that the 1 million figure includes students and unknown. Appologise for the error. EU citizens who are currently unemployed and claiming benefits in the UK. There are virtually no UK citizens doing the same in the EU.
Edited to clarify the 1 million Eu citizens who are not either working or retired."
So - let's be clear. There are not a million EU citizens claiming benefits. Is there anything in that study about benefits at all? (Apart from the benefits of EU membership.) Then you imply the articles I cited are suspect - yet with no evidence you claim that "virtually no UK citizens claiming benefits in the EU", which seems totally untrue (30,000 claiming unemployment benefits - about 2.5% of Brits in the EU, same proportion as EU citizens in the UK). The million not working or retired seems to include students and children and presumably non-working spouses.
So dubious statistics about benefits, but you want us to "rid ourselves" of that million - a phrase which says more than the dodgy stats.
From a study about how bad Brexit will be for the UK, you do seem to have been looking for a peculiar (and false) interpretation.
So you not only fail to read my post accurately but you also fail to read the source document correctly. Well done!
Oh and by the way, I after writing the post I chose to go back and check my numbers and having realised the mistake, edited the post openly by not deleting what I originally wrote so as to be transparent. I thought the original post may well have been read by a few people and didn't want their replies to be misunderstood. Perhaps in future I should just backslide and hide any errors.
And as a last point. You should be thanking me for sourcing a goldmine of EU bollocks for you to use in this debate. Much more credible that the sources you quote.
Dave Ewing's Back 'eader
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You missed off BMW but there you go - the myth that German car makers will dictate the terms of Brexit.
There's a wealth of difference between dictating terms and not being happy with a political price hike! 'Not being happy' was the crux of my post! I'm not happy with the way this season's panned out for MCFC but I have little chance dictating to Guardiola what should be happening next! Funny how political and economic arguments are twisted on the mention of a single party to a multi-faceted discussion!
Dave Ewing's Back 'eader
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I think they should make it £1,000,000,000,000,000
Bwhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.
That will teach those pesky Englishmen.
Fucking jokers.
They think that leaving the EU is like building the Millennium Dome or building HS2 or even building the Scottish Parliament. Come up with a figure and then as the weeks go by start adding a zero to the end! So we end up paying ten times more for leaving than had we stayed.
I can just imagine getting an email from Danny Wilson were I not to renew my ST.
Dear Mr Ewing,
We see that the deadline has passed for renewing your £420 season ticket at Manchester City. You will now be required to pay £4200 for not renewing.
Yours sincerely,
DW
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