Astonishing developments in AI

[aguero93:20]

It's about being more efficient surely. If the AI does it in less time and less consumption it will be a good thing. Or even if AI schedules some power consumption at times when the national grid isn't heaving under pressure that's also good and probably more cost-effective.

That's efficiency where machines are already being used, not replacing workers with machines that have heavy power usage and also leaving those workers at home where they'll use more electricity.

The second part - most grids have the same efficiency either way. In countries with proper hydro systems, peak time is the most fuel efficient as the release of hydro systems sends a huge surge into the grid from a renewable energy source. There's a limited amount of times you can do that per day.

 

[1.618034]

Yeah, but the porn's gonna be great!

 

[aguero93:20]

Yeah, but the porn's gonna be great!

When they get the android thing right, many young lads will become complete social recluses.

 

[Chippy_boy]

The last bit is very important, we need to make sure we always build a kill switch, although if we develop (or the computers develop) a truly self aware machine there's an interesting moral quandary there as to whether we'd have the right to enslave it.
I'm an optimist in this regard, so I believe we'll always be needed as consumers.

One worrying aspect of this that seems to go under the radar a bit is that all the extra computer labour will drastically increase our power usage at a time when we're already outstripping our sources of fuel. Energy development needs to keep pace.

There will always be consumers, i.e. us. It's just that every single possible thing that us consumers want to consume will eventually be provided by robots and AI. Of course this won't happen overnight, it's progressive. The things that go last will be the touchy-feely things where people actually like interacting with a human. But eventually it will all be done by robots. Everything.

It's about being more efficient surely. If the AI does it in less time and less consumption it will be a good thing. Or even if AI schedules some power consumption at times when the national grid isn't heaving under pressure that's also good and probably more cost-effective.

And as to power requirements, well humans need 2,000 calories (8 MJoules) a day - equivalent to maybe half a pint of diesel! And anyway, once nuclear fusion is mainstream, we will effectively have limitless free energy, so this is a non-issue (for the machines that is!)

The same stuff was said during the industrial revolution.

The same stuff was said, but the situation was entirely different. Back then, there was no possibility of the majority of human tasks being undertaken by machines. Let alone ALL human tasks.

What's happening with robotics and AI is game changing. When companies can produce more output, of a higher quality and with much lower costs, using machines, then that's what they will do. Right now that's limited to robots in car plants and other industrial applications. But soon it will be in all forms of manufacture. And it will replace senior execs who will make better business decisions. And ultimately every job will be gone, from grape pickers to prostitutes.

There will be no need for anyone to be employed to do anything and there will be no jobs. People will be paid to do whatever leisure activities they wish, and it will be like Wall-E with us fat bloaters loafing around doing fuck all, all day, every day. Whether this is a dystopian or utopian view of the future, I'll leave you to decide!

 

[aguero93:20]

And as to power requirements, well humans need 2,000 calories (8 MJoules) a day - equivalent to maybe half a pint of diesel!

Biofuel though, not fossil fuel :)

And anyway, once nuclear fusion is mainstream, we will effectively have limitless free energy, so this is a non-issue (for the machines that is!)

Debatable whether that will ever be possible on this planet on an industrial scale, it's not theory that's holding us back, afaik it's essentially that we don't have a material alloy capable of containing and directing the forces generated for large scale fusion and we haven't figured out what materials we need for one or how to make it. Unfortunately it doesn't seem to be something we can attach a timescale to at the moment.

 

[Magicpole]

There will always be consumers, i.e. us. It's just that every single possible thing that us consumers want to consume will eventually be provided by robots and AI. Of course this won't happen overnight, it's progressive. The things that go last will be the touchy-feely things where people actually like interacting with a human. But eventually it will all be done by robots. Everything.



And as to power requirements, well humans need 2,000 calories (8 MJoules) a day - equivalent to maybe half a pint of diesel! And anyway, once nuclear fusion is mainstream, we will effectively have limitless free energy, so this is a non-issue (for the machines that is!)



The same stuff was said, but the situation was entirely different. Back then, there was no possibility of the majority of human tasks being undertaken by machines. Let alone ALL human tasks.

What's happening with robotics and AI is game changing. When companies can produce more output, of a higher quality and with much lower costs, using machines, then that's what they will do. Right now that's limited to robots in car plants and other industrial applications. But soon it will be in all forms of manufacture. And it will replace senior execs who will make better business decisions. And ultimately every job will be gone, from grape pickers to prostitutes.

There will be no need for anyone to be employed to do anything and there will be no jobs. People will be paid to do whatever leisure activities they wish, and it will be like Wall-E with us fat bloaters loafing around doing fuck all, all day, every day. Whether this is a dystopian or utopian view of the future, I'll leave you to decide!

Chippy you have absolutely no evidence to back up what you are saying. When the car industry started using robots the claim was made that no human would be employed in ten years. Didn’t happen.

Will it provide a lot of what we use and buy, yes. Just like robots, but they will not replace humanity. They may replace certain jobs, as the car and the wheel did. But, new jobs will emerge. New technologies that require people.

Everything with doomsday scenarios is always soon. Just around the corner, maybe not now but it will happen. Again, been said by the same types for centuries. You are just another in an endless line of people who think the way you do. And like that long line, you will be proved wrong. New industries will replace the old. If we are still on this site in 20 or 30 years, you will still be saying soon, it’s just around the corner, and I bet you I will be pointing to those new industries and similar levels of employment.

Unless the Chemtrails get us, obviously .

 

[CityInWashingtonState]

Take a look at this and keep reminding yourself, the generated images are of people who do not exist!

As a non-expert in AI - but a lifelong computer programmer - I don't find this especially astonishing.

If there's some sort of pattern in the data, AI will find it.

 

[aguero93:20]

Chippy you have absolutely no evidence to back up what you are saying. When the car industry started using robots the claim was made that no human would be employed in ten years. Didn’t happen.

Will it provide a lot of what we use and buy, yes. Just like robots, but they will not replace humanity. They may replace certain jobs, as the car and the wheel did. But, new jobs will emerge. New technologies that require people.

Everything with doomsday scenarios is always soon. Just around the corner, maybe not now but it will happen. Again, been said by the same types for centuries. You are just another in an endless line of people who think the way you do. And like that long line, you will be proved wrong. New industries will replace the old. If we are still on this site in 20 or 30 years, you will still be saying soon, it’s just around the corner, and I bet you I will be pointing to those new industries and similar levels of employment.

Unless the Chemtrails get us, obviously .

Self learning machines mate, ones that don't need to be monitored by humans. The rulebook has just changed.

 

[Magicpole]

Self learning machines mate, ones that don't need to be monitored by humans. The rulebook has just changed.

Human consciousness to make rational or indeed irrational decisions. To develop a thirst for power is never going to happen. It’s just like computers advancement, who would have thought they could achieve what they have?

It’s human advancement. It won’t destroy humanity. It will change it and how we do things, but as I said, so did the wheel.

Human society will adapt and harness. Have faith in your species. :).

 

[aguero93:20]

Human consciousness to make rational or indeed irrational decisions. To develop a thirst for power is never going to happen. It’s just like computers advancement, who would have thought they could achieve what they have?

It’s human advancement. It won’t destroy humanity. It will change it and how we do things, but as I said, so did the wheel.

Human society will adapt and harness. Have faith in your species. :).

It won't destroy us, but it will destroy the value of humans as labour.

 

[everythingchangesbutblue]

Bearing in mind that A.I doesn't kill or enslave us ( a real 50/50 possibility) then i believe humanity may be on the cusp of a post scarcity economy. Automation will lead to a universal basic income which, in turn will lead to humans having to work less hours, the end of poverty. I could see the Earth flourishing with what the next 20/30 years could bring with advances made using benevolent A.I. I can envisage a time when the only work most people will do will be voluntary, no cars will be made for sale( we will simply book a driverless vehicle when we need it) Free energy. The accumulation of things will not drive us. Most will say its nonsense, and it may be but i believe it will happen. 40 hrs work a week will be a thing of the past for most in the next 10 to 15 years, from warehouses to pharmacies to paramedics( road casualties are expected to be all but wiped out by driverless cars in 20 years) The transport industry will be gone and no country can live with the unemployment rate that will bring let alone in other sectors. UBI coupled with the tax of machines is the only way forward imo.

 

[Chippy_boy]

Chippy you have absolutely no evidence to back up what you are saying. When the car industry started using robots the claim was made that no human would be employed in ten years. Didn’t happen.

Will it provide a lot of what we use and buy, yes. Just like robots, but they will not replace humanity. They may replace certain jobs, as the car and the wheel did. But, new jobs will emerge. New technologies that require people.

Everything with doomsday scenarios is always soon. Just around the corner, maybe not now but it will happen. Again, been said by the same types for centuries. You are just another in an endless line of people who think the way you do. And like that long line, you will be proved wrong. New industries will replace the old. If we are still on this site in 20 or 30 years, you will still be saying soon, it’s just around the corner, and I bet you I will be pointing to those new industries and similar levels of employment.

Unless the Chemtrails get us, obviously .

Disagree mate. Your thinking is bounded by what you know now and what you've seen, not what's coming. Never in our history have we had the capability to create "machines" that can do absolutely everything better than a human can. But this eventuality becoming reality is a cast iron certainty.

For example, we are only just starting to mess with DNA - the programming language of life. We are on page1 of the Beginner's Guide to Designing Your Own Lifeforms. In less than a few hundred years we will have read the book and rewritten it.

Robots of the form seen in "Humans" or "Blade Runner" are inevitable. They won't need paying and they will do every conceivable job. It's 100% nailed on, certain.

 

[aguero93:20]

Bearing in mind that A.I doesn't kill or enslave us ( a real 50/50 possibility) then i believe humanity may be on the cusp of a post scarcity economy. Automation will lead to a universal basic income which, in turn will lead to humans having to work less hours, the end of poverty. I could see the Earth flourishing with what the next 20/30 years could bring with advances made using benevolent A.I. I can envisage a time when the only work most people will do will be voluntary, no cars will be made for sale( we will simply book a driverless vehicle when we need it) Free energy. The accumulation of things will not drive us. Most will say its nonsense, and it may be but i believe it will happen. 40 hrs work a week will be a thing of the past for most in the next 10 to 15 years, from warehouses to pharmacies to paramedics( road casualties are expected to be all but wiped out by driverless cars in 20 years) The transport industry will be gone and no country can live with the unemployment rate that will bring let alone in other sectors. UBI coupled with the tax of machines is the only way forward imo.

All reliant on finding free energy. Without advances in energy all the technological advances going won't help.

 

[everythingchangesbutblue]

Disagree mate. Your thinking is bounded by what you know now and what you've seen, not what's coming. Never in our history have we had the capability to create "machines" that can do absolutely everything better than a human can. But this eventuality becoming reality is a cast iron certainty.

For example, we are only just starting to mess with DNA - the programming language of life. We are on page1 of the Beginner's Guide to Designing Your Own Lifeforms. In less than a few hundred years we will have read the book and rewritten it.

Robots of the form seen in "Humans" or "Blade Runner" are inevitable. They won't need paying and they will do every conceivable job. It's 100% nailed on, certain.

Your first line there is so true.

 

[Chippy_boy]

Bearing in mind that A.I doesn't kill or enslave us ( a real 50/50 possibility) then i believe humanity may be on the cusp of a post scarcity economy. Automation will lead to a universal basic income which, in turn will lead to humans having to work less hours, the end of poverty. I could see the Earth flourishing with what the next 20/30 years could bring with advances made using benevolent A.I. I can envisage a time when the only work most people will do will be voluntary, no cars will be made for sale( we will simply book a driverless vehicle when we need it) Free energy. The accumulation of things will not drive us. Most will say its nonsense, and it may be but i believe it will happen. 40 hrs work a week will be a thing of the past for most in the next 10 to 15 years, from warehouses to pharmacies to paramedics( road casualties are expected to be all but wiped out by driverless cars in 20 years) The transport industry will be gone and no country can live with the unemployment rate that will bring let alone in other sectors. UBI coupled with the tax of machines is the only way forward imo.

In general, yes, I agree.

I've posted this before, but ultimately there will need to be a world order where wealth is distributed almost equally amongst the billions of people who do no work whatsoever, and the very very small minority of people for whom jobs remain, will be paid a pittance more. Basically work will be entirely optional, with the marginal reward for work being so minimal that hardly anyone wants to do it and therefore the few jobs are fulfilled and everyone who is out of work is happy about it. Eventually there will be no jobs for humans whatsoever. That's maybe a few hundred years off, at a guess.

 

[Magicpole]

It won't destroy us, but it will destroy the value of humans as labour.

Some current types of Labour. New ones will emerge. They always have. Nobody carries or drags stuff to building sites. Buildings are still built. Nobody sends fax messages or build fax machines, messages are still sent, people build their replacements with the help of computers.

People don’t transport goods on canals, but canals are still used for other commercial activity. And so on.

You never strike me as a pessimistic ****, an annoying **** yes, but not pessimistic. Look at our human evolution and tell me we haven’t adapted. Then tell me why now we will suddenly lose that capacity?

How would order be maintained if everybody is redundant? How would society function? How would new technologies develop? How would City win the CL? People, have faith in the human spirit. It’s abikity to adapt. To move forward. Why not look in the positive side AI could bring humanity. Less hours needed to work with fairer distribution of resources. Shut like that.

It’s alwats dion and gloom at the beginning of any new technological leap.

Let’s change the fucking record for once you miserable old ****.

 

[everythingchangesbutblue]

All reliant on finding free energy. Without advances in energy all the technological advances going won't help.

I believe deserts, Africa etc will become vast solar "farms"

 

[Chippy_boy]

Some current types of Labour. New ones will emerge. They always have.

Past performance is not necessarily indicative of future results as they say in the financial sector!

They always *did* when humans could always do some things better than machines. When that is no longer the case, your logic breaks down.

 

[aguero93:20]

Some current types of Labour. New ones will emerge. They always have. Nobody carries or drags stuff to building sites. Buildings are still built. Nobody sends fax messages or build fax machines, messages are still sent, people build their replacements with the help of computers.

People don’t transport goods on canals, but canals are still used for other commercial activity. And so on.

You never strike me as a pessimistic ****, an annoying **** yes, but not pessimistic. Look at our human evolution and tell me we haven’t adapted. Then tell me why now we will suddenly lose that capacity?

How would order be maintained if everybody is redundant? How would society function? How would new technologies develop? How would City win the CL? People, have faith in the human spirit. It’s abikity to adapt. To move forward. Why not look in the positive side AI could bring humanity. Less hours needed to work with fairer distribution of resources. Shut like that.

It’s alwats dion and gloom at the beginning of any new technological leap.

Let’s change the fucking record for once you miserable old ****.

Mate, we're talking about machines doing the thinking work as well as the menial repetitive work. This isn't doom and gloom, handled correctly it'll be the best thing that ever happened to us, but it will be the end of humans as labour.
As for new technological developments, where do you think they'll come from when the machines are better at thinking than us?

 

[Magicpole]

Disagree mate. Your thinking is bounded by what you know now and what you've seen, not what's coming. Never in our history have we had the capability to create "machines" that can do absolutely everything better than a human can. But this eventuality becoming reality is a cast iron certainty.

For example, we are only just starting to mess with DNA - the programming language of life. We are on page1 of the Beginner's Guide to Designing Your Own Lifeforms. In less than a few hundred years we will have read the book and rewritten it.

Robots of the form seen in "Humans" or "Blade Runner" are inevitable. They won't need paying and they will do every conceivable job. It's 100% nailed on, certain.

No machine can or ever will be able to do everything better than a human. No machine could ever work out the universe. Create antibiotics, understand the human body. They might be able to make another machine we show it how to create. You say I am basing my assessment in tried and tested evidence. That’s cool by me. You’re basing your predictions on duck all but a doomsday supposition that experience and evidence does not support.
Why can’t they be great for humanity? Because that doesn’t fit your narrative. That’s a belief based on a belief that the end is nigh. It isn’t.