Atmosphere Thread | 2025/26

I watched Genoa V Atlanta tonight.

The double tiered Genoa home end was packed. There wasn’t a single steward I could see.
The Genoa fans from the bottom to the top of the home end were singing constantly throughout the match.

This was the scene at the Genoa home end after the final whistle. Atalanta scored a winner in extra time in the 2nd half.

The Genoa players went over to the Genoa fans thanking them for the their support. All the Genoa fans in the home end stayed until after the final whistle and carried on singing to the players.

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I watched Genoa V Atlanta tonight.

The single tiered Genoa home end was packed. There wasn’t a single steward I could see.
The Genoa fans from the bottom to the top of the home end were singing constantly throughout the match.

This was the scene at the Genoa home end after the final whistle. Atalanta scored a winner in extra time in the 2nd half.

The Genoa players went over to the Genoa fans thanking them for the their support. All the Genoa fans in the home end stayed until after the final whistle and carried on singing to the players.

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maybe they should be our next transfer target.
 
I rekon there's a lot more singers than we think.

The current singing areas are impossible to get into as an ST holders, and they're always the first areas to sell out on matchdays, the demand is clearly there.

I also personally know many lads who sing their hearts out at away games, yet at home games they sit in quiet areas, so they don't sing.

We do have a lot of singers, but we aren’t going to get 3000 singers to fill the 3000 safe standing seats on NSL2.

We will get what we already have in SSL1. That will be replicated on NSL2. Then you can add 5000 GA seats where fans will be sitting throughout the match.

If the club had actually came out by now or long ago and said we want 3000 singers to fill the 3000 safe standing seats on NSL2, and we are going to work with the fans and fan groups to do that, that would be a different meter altogether. As of yet, the club hasn’t done that. And it doesn’t look like the club will be doing that. The 3000 safe standing seats will be up for grabs for anyone via relocations, FG season tickets, and match day ticket sales. That won’t create a 3000 safe standing section full of singers.

I’d be more than happy with a single block of 500 singers. But even that hasn’t been organised by the club yet.
 
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I watched Genoa V Atlanta tonight.

The double tiered Genoa home end was packed. There wasn’t a single steward I could see.
The Genoa fans from the bottom to the top of the home end were singing constantly throughout the match.

This was the scene at the Genoa home end after the final whistle. Atalanta scored a winner in extra time in the 2nd half.

The Genoa players went over to the Genoa fans thanking them for the their support. All the Genoa fans in the home end stayed until after the final whistle and carried on singing to the players.

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Sorry, but that Christmas Tree blocking out parts of the Telly would drive me mad :)
 
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So once again you didn’t answer the question.

You know very well there aren’t 3000 singers to fill all of those 3000 safe standing seats.

There aren’t in SSL1.

There aren’t in blocks 111 and 110.

Tell us why you think there will be 3000 singers to fill 3000 safe standing seats in NSL2?
Well @wearethesouthstand said there are 7000 singers now at the etihad, albeit split up.
So 3000 rail seats are too many now ??
I give up...
 
Well @wearethesouthstand said there are 7000 singers now at the etihad, albeit split up.
So 3000 rail seats are too many now ??
I give up...
While I don’t agree with him that there aren’t 3000 singers, I do agree with his point that there won’t be 3000 singers filling those spots. Why? Because it will be a mixture of ST holders and match day tickets so no matter how much fans push for singers to move over there it’ll still be a mish-mash of fans in those spaces. As has already been stated, if the club had pushed for 3000 singers to fill those spots then it would’ve been better. But so far there has been zilch on that. No mails going out to fans who might want to move, and still no messaging on pricing. How can anyone make an informed decision based on that?
 
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While I don’t agree with him that there aren’t 3000 singers, I do agree with his point that there won’t be 3000 singers filling those spots. Why? Because it will be a mixture of ST holders, and match day tickets so no matter how much fans push for singers to move over there it’ll still be a mish-mash of fans in those spaces. As has already been stated, if the club had pushed for 3000 singers to fill those spots then it would’ve been better. But so far there has been zilch on that. No mails going out to fans who might want to move, and still no messaging on pricing. How can anyone make an informed decision based on that?
I agree with that regarding pricing etc if the club want a vocal section in there things need to now start firming up.
 
While I don’t agree with him that there aren’t 3000 singers, I do agree with his point that there won’t be 3000 singers filling those spots. Why? Because it will be a mixture of ST holders, and match day tickets so no matter how much fans push for singers to move over there it’ll still be a mish-mash of fans in those spaces. As has already been stated, if the club had pushed for 3000 singers to fill those spots then it would’ve been better. But so far there has been zilch on that. No mails going out to fans who might want to move, and still no messaging on pricing. How can anyone make an informed decision based on that?
Literally impossible, that’s fully on the club.
 
3000 rail seats, thats it, fill it with singers and off we go...
But no lets procrastinate and lose the one chance we have...
Everything else is bollocks & excuses.
Nothing to stop you moving there

Many people are already singers and already in rail seat areas

They are in the south stand but they weren’t joined by people when they have needed that support over the last 13 years
 
Out of interest, when did you last survey your members on this topic, and what was the wording of it?

Out of interest, when did you last survey your members on this topic, and what was the wording of the question?
Would have been more than one question.

You’ll have to read through previous mailers, if you really care about the work being done you’ll see that over many years we’ve constantly asked questions about the atmosphere.

If you are a member you will have that information to hand, if you don’t have it you wouldn’t have joined therefore perhaps asking disingenuous questions? We came to a decision last year based on being in the room with the club, looking into the whites of their eyes and getting permission to attend from our membership and having their wishes took into the meetings.

To make atmosphere work a section needs to be backed and marketed properly as one and to have the confidence to know it will work it needs to have all the things going wrong took away from it / relaxation of ticket transfer, a commitment to full season tickets in that area / removal of 3rd party resellers from these sections / a halt to excessive stewarding and chucking people out for simply showing passion. Otherwise there is no commitment to the atmosphere from the club.

The club sold the south stand as “our end” 10 years ago at the Chelsea game with big fanfare and tickertape cannons. Since thrown they gradually made the area less partisan, resulting in today’s situation.

There are no guarantees at the moment that any new sections in NSL2 would have any such protections.

Our surveys have attracted over 5000 responses and over 1600 individual comments. We don’t see anyone else doing that work.

The information presented months ago is the same information now. So certainly nothing has changed. The car crash in level 1 with city hall and the way fans have been treated there I think proves that when you try and deal with the club they may well have other plans up their sleeves at the same time.

In September 2024 we mailed Danny Wilson saying we don’t wish to be included on any club press releases about this stand because that would look like we approve of the current plans as they do.

We did also say on mail to him at that time that we would still support anyone that wants to go across there and that’s always been the case. We think a majority of people do not wish to swap ends they are happy staying put but for those that do move well support them and collect names of interested people but then also seek to fill the gaps in the south stand - whatever tier - with people interested in them atmosphere and collect those names also.

So our position has not changed in all that time. And the concourse protests highlighted fans were unhappy about club’s policies including lack of real season tickets being brought back.

You can’t have an atmosphere with a different person sat in the seats every week.

The club set the expectation level sky high with their blue wall comments. Not the fans. The club came up with plans for that end and got them cleared by the council. Not fans. The club chose the level of consultation and chose the vision and how to “sell” their plans, they did this through drip feeding information but no detail on things such as price. That’s the club not the fans.

I personally think a lot more fans would have jumped at the chance to go over had the club approached things in a different way.

We said make it attractive for people to go. Sell your vision.

They spent the majority of the time talking up the hotel - which is something built for tourists.
 
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Well @wearethesouthstand said there are 7000 singers now at the etihad, albeit split up.
So 3000 rail seats are too many now ??
I give up...
While I don’t agree with him that there aren’t 3000 singers, I do agree with his point that there won’t be 3000 singers filling those spots. Why? Because it will be a mixture of ST holders and match day tickets so no matter how much fans push for singers to move over there it’ll still be a mish-mash of fans in those spaces. As has already been stated, if the club had pushed for 3000 singers to fill those spots then it would’ve been better. But so far there has been zilch on that. No mails going out to fans who might want to move, and still no messaging on pricing. How can anyone make an informed decision based on that?

Just to clarify, if what I wrote came across the wrong way?

We do have 3000 singers amongst the 53,000 crowd, but we won’t get 3000 dedicated singers together in the 3000 safe standing seats on NSL2. Just like SSL1, NSL2 will be a mixture of fans who are dedicated singers, fans who sing as and when, let’s say after a goal, and fans who don’t sing, but want to stand. If we could get 3000 dedicated singers together on NSL2, we’d have the best home end in British football, and we’d be on a par with some of the biggest and best Ultra ends and sections acorss Europe.
 
Going back to fans leaving early, which is part of the discussion. Here is one reason, amongst other reasons

Look at the amount of car parking spaces for cars on the Collar Site. Add that to the amount of cars in the back car parks behind the Coop Live Arena. No wonder people who park next to the Etihad on a match day leave early and want to get out of the car parks quickly.

Mark Woods Photography - Facebook.

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Would have been more than one question.

You’ll have to read through previous mailers, if you really care about the work being done you’ll see that over many years we’ve constantly asked questions about the atmosphere.

If you are a member you will have that information to hand, if you don’t have it you wouldn’t have joined therefore perhaps asking disingenuous questions? We came to a decision last year based on being in the room with the club, looking into the whites of their eyes and getting permission to attend from our membership and having their wishes took into the meetings.
Listen mate, I read through all of your mailers, however I certainly don't have an archived collection of them.

Had the same conversation with Jrb a few weeks ago, however I'll reiterate. I've been nothing but supportive of what you lot do, and will continue to be as I really like what you're doing. I also understand the hardship you've faced having to communicate with the brick wall that is the club, and I give huge props for the work you've done and continue to do.


I already know that you surveyed members about atmosphere many times over the last few years I've taken part in them myself.

I'm asking when was the last time you explicitly asked members if they would support moving to the North Stand when it opens, and how was this question worded. (This isn't a disingenuous question, I care deeply about this new stand and would be interested to know the sentiment towards it)
 
Would have been more than one question.

You’ll have to read through previous mailers, if you really care about the work being done you’ll see that over many years we’ve constantly asked questions about the atmosphere.

If you are a member you will have that information to hand, if you don’t have it you wouldn’t have joined therefore perhaps asking disingenuous questions? We came to a decision last year based on being in the room with the club, looking into the whites of their eyes and getting permission to attend from our membership and having their wishes took into the meetings.

To make atmosphere work a section needs to be backed and marketed properly as one and to have the confidence to know it will work it needs to have all the things going wrong took away from it / relaxation of ticket transfer, a commitment to full season tickets in that area / removal of 3rd party resellers from these sections / a halt to excessive stewarding and chucking people out for simply showing passion. Otherwise there is no commitment to the atmosphere from the club.

The club sold the south stand as “our end” 10 years ago at the Chelsea game with big fanfare and tickertape cannons. Since thrown they gradually made the area less partisan, resulting in today’s situation.

There are no guarantees at the moment that any new sections in NSL2 would have any such protections.

Our surveys have attracted over 5000 responses and over 1600 individual comments. We don’t see anyone else doing that work.

The information presented months ago is the same information now. So certainly nothing has changed. The car crash in level 1 with city hall and the way fans have been treated there I think proves that when you try and deal with the club they may well have other plans up their sleeves at the same time.

In September 2024 we mailed Danny Wilson saying we don’t wish to be included on any club press releases about this stand because that would look like we approve of the current plans as they do.

We did also say on mail to him at that time that we would still support anyone that wants to go across there and that’s always been the case. We think a majority of people do not wish to swap ends they are happy staying put but for those that do move well support them and collect names of interested people but then also seek to fill the gaps in the south stand - whatever tier - with people interested in them atmosphere and collect those names also.

So our position has not changed in all that time. And the concourse protests highlighted fans were unhappy about club’s policies including lack of real season tickets being brought back.

You can’t have an atmosphere with a different person sat in the seats every week.

I noticed highly visible stewards in-between and all the way down blocks 109 and 110 on Saturday during the match. SSL1 has been over stewarded compared to what it used to be like for a long time now. Along with season ticket and ticket checks on the entrances. As you say, the stewarding has got bigger, more visible, and more draconian in and around the singing sections.

What is the stewarding going to be like on NSL2 with 3000 safe standing seats next to and around 5000 seated seats. Many fans in those 5000 seated seats will stand up, especially those fans next to or close to the safe standing seats. It’s going to be very interesting to see how the club manages that issue.
 
Listen mate, I read through all of your mailers, however I certainly don't have an archived collection of them.

Had the same conversation with Jrb a few weeks ago, however I'll reiterate. I've been nothing but supportive of what you lot do, and will continue to be as I really like what you're doing. I also understand the hardship you've faced having to communicate with the brick wall that is the club, and I give huge props for the work you've done and continue to do.


I already know that you surveyed members about atmosphere many times over the last few years I've taken part in them myself.

I'm asking when was the last time you explicitly asked members if they would support moving to the North Stand when it opens, and how was this question worded. (This isn't a disingenuous question, I care deeply about this new stand and would be interested to know the sentiment towards it)
Whenever it was last done it was about a year ago- it came out with results saying a lot of fans wouldn’t move based on club plans however they would like to see 2 ends singing towards each other and that could be possible/ the best we can hope for.

The next mailer- due out today or tomorrow has a survey in asking members if they want to go north stand or go to south stand next year and we will have a list of names and supporters numbers collected and ready - if the club wish to use them. So we’ll know exactly how many want to move to NS (based on clubs’ current plans) imminently

We think clubs business model - revenue over everything- compromises safety. We don’t see how someone not able to attend a game in new NSL2 then being forced to hand that ticket to viagogo to be sold to someone filming the game on an IPad all
Day with no checks to determine who they support beforehand - is going to improve the atmosphere.

That’s what we currently have in all part of the south stand and the whole ground currently.

Glad to hear you are a member
 
Regarding pricing in the safe standing seats.

If it is cheaper, which there is no guarantee it will be, fans will go in there because it’s cheaper, not because they want to sing. That’s what happened on SSL1. We lost a lot of singers because they moved to the cheaper seats on SSL3.
 
Whenever it was last done it was about a year ago- it came out with results saying a lot of fans wouldn’t move based on club plans however they would like to see 2 ends singing towards each other and that could be possible/ the best we can hope for.

The next mailer- due out today or tomorrow has a survey in asking members if they want to go north stand or go to south stand next year and we will have a list of names and supporters numbers collected and ready - if the club wish to use them. So we’ll know exactly how many want to move to NS (based on clubs’ current plans) imminently
Thank you. I certainly think 2 ends singing at one another would be better than 3 different sections at the same end of the ground like we've currently got.

Ie. I think if you're sat in SS0 it would certainly be easier for you to sing along to a song in NSL2 rather than in SS3, as you'd be facing them so there should be no acoustic barriers.
 
Whenever it was last done it was about a year ago- it came out with results saying a lot of fans wouldn’t move based on club plans however they would like to see 2 ends singing towards each other and that could be possible/ the best we can hope for.

The next mailer- due out today or tomorrow has a survey in asking members if they want to go north stand or go to south stand next year and we will have a list of names and supporters numbers collected and ready - if the club wish to use them. So we’ll know exactly how many want to move to NS (based on clubs’ current plans) imminently
I'm in South Stand 2. I do sing (well, a close approximation of singing!) and would consider moving to NS if the club guaranteed there'd be a couple of thousand like-minded people around me. As they haven't, I'll be staying put.
 

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