Attack in Forbury gardens (Reading)

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

Hmm, known to MI5 again. This is becoming a pattern. Have they had their funding cut in the past 10 years, by any chance?

It takes about 30-35 people to run 24/7 surveillance on one individual. I don't know exact figures for persons of interest to the security Service, but it is certainly in the thousands. Cuts or no cuts, it's simply not possible to monitor all of these people all of the time so it becomes essentially a matter of risk assessment. Occasionally they get it wrong, and someone deemed not to be an immediate threat does something terrible. These odd balls are often 'all mouth' and it is often difficult to predict which ones will become the next headline. Radicalisation is broadly understood ,but the last couple of weeks (often all it is) before an attack where an individual goes from being just one of thousands of loons to a killer is not that well understood from what I can tell.

 

[Blue Mist]

It takes about 30-35 people to run 24/7 surveillance on one individual. I don't know exact figures for persons of interest to the security Service, but it is certainly in the thousands. Cuts or no cuts, it's simply not possible to monitor all of these people all of the time so it becomes essentially a matter of risk assessment. Occasionally they get it wrong, and someone deemed not to be an immediate threat does something terrible. These odd balls are often 'all mouth' and it is often difficult to predict which ones will become the next headline. Radicalisation is broadly understood ,but the last couple of weeks (often all it is) before an attack where an individual goes from being just one of thousands of loons to a killer is not that well understood from what I can tell.

add to that the number of chat sites etc that are hidden from the security services by encryption. We cannot ban them from using our air space (because we are not China) and yet they sit there plotting terrorist attacks behind the security of 4 walls.

 

[SWP's back]

Are you saying they didn’t allow British Muslims to go and fight in Syria? The view of the previous ambassador to Syria was that they did encourage through their actions. I share that view.

Yes I’m saying that and that they didn’t encourage them to, certainly in the original sense you meant it.

Whether the actions of bombing parts of the Middle East contributed in radicalising Muslim youths is another matter. It seems however that we imported this one.

 

[Uncle Wally One Ball]

It takes about 30-35 people to run 24/7 surveillance on one individual. I don't know exact figures for persons of interest to the security Service, but it is certainly in the thousands. Cuts or no cuts, it's simply not possible to monitor all of these people all of the time so it becomes essentially a matter of risk assessment. Occasionally they get it wrong, and someone deemed not to be an immediate threat does something terrible. These odd balls are often 'all mouth' and it is often difficult to predict which ones will become the next headline. Radicalisation is broadly understood ,but the last couple of weeks (often all it is) before an attack where an individual goes from being just one of thousands of loons to a killer is not that well understood from what I can tell.

The rule of thumb for a live surveillance team for one shift of people is £1000 a day. For every identified terrorist possible subject that would be £365k each. If anyone thinks this is either achievable, reasonable or practical then they would have to chose divert £13 million or sacrifice something else for it. Nothing else warrants the risk v reward of funding that, and there are probably 0.05% of trained surveillance cops to manage it. That means employing more cops while others are trained to do that one job, which is also nonsense.
I could go on. But the point Im making is that is not the fault of the authorities. It is the fault of one deranged knobhead

 

[Cheadle_hulmeBlue]

We have a serious problem, where we aren’t deporting criminals who come here/ then carry out crimes (known terrorists, killers, rapists)

the authorities are allowing a lot of these people to live in Britain and they then carry out these horrific crimes.

Why on earth are known criminals from other countries not being deported or even locked up. It’s happening too much now

 

[Danny Hoekman]

We have a serious problem, where we aren’t deporting criminals who come here/ then carry out crimes (known terrorists, killers, rapists)

the authorities are allowing a lot of these people to live in Britain and they then carry out these horrific crimes.

Why on earth are known criminals from other countries not being deported or even locked up. It’s happening too much now

 

[Danny Hoekman]

Out of interest, do you have anything to back this up with?

 

[Blue Mist]

We have a serious problem, where we aren’t deporting criminals who come here/ then carry out crimes (known terrorists, killers, rapists)

the authorities are allowing a lot of these people to live in Britain and they then carry out these horrific crimes.

Why on earth are known criminals from other countries not being deported or even locked up. It’s happening too much now

There is one problem with your solution of deporting them and I am no far right wing nut job. We have free legal aid and very soft judges. Only recently a load were about to be deported when the solicitors claimed they had insufficient time to speak to their clients so the judge halted the deportation. Throw in the fact that you cannot send someone back to a war torn country, a pretend Christian/gay person cannot be sent back if he claims his life is in danger and on it goes.
All that said, if it means genuine asylum seekers can stay in this country then it is a very fine balancing act and if you ignore the daily mail, I think it isn't a bad system at the moment.

 

[MeatnSpudsMCFC]

Out of interest, do you have anything to back this up with?

So far, all we know is... “Security sources told the Guardian Saadallah had been granted asylum and had previously been in prison in the UK for a relatively minor conviction, not a terrorism offence.”

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...libyan-held-after-three-killed-in-park-attack

 

[Segga]

Hope the twat gets it in Jail

He will be in a Cat A prison which unfortunately means he will be segregated on a wing with fellow like minded individuals and allowed to continue spreading his hate and extremist views