Attack in Forbury gardens (Reading)

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

I don't get this argument. There seems to be a series of people on here who think that because it's impossible to watch someone 24/7, it's therefore not relevant if a department has its budget cut. We'll likely never find out, but it would be interesting to know if those responsible for counter terrorism believe that they have the resources to do their job properly.

It's not impossible to watch someone 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, but is's highly impractical and very resource hungry.

I've said it before, but for a act of terror to succeed the perpetrators only have to get it right once. The security services have to be right all of the time; not one mistake; not one off day.

 

[Blue Mist]

fair enough. I wouldn’t link it to being right wing - I think it’s perfectly sensible to want know criminals either locked up or deported. I think it is a bad system, it seems to be very easy to stay in the country, no matter how bad the crime

if they can’t be deported because of war or whatever reason, put them in jail. I don’t really want criminals walking around on the street for instance. I know you can’t do that all the time, but I think most ordinary people would be ok with that.

My son is going through the process or getting Australian Citizenship. he knows cannot break the law or he will be booted out (he doesn't anyway !), he is even concerned about traffic offences or anything that might give them cause. The process is deliberately dragged out for years, it is a great way of making people behave. Perhaps we should be a little less tolerant.

 

[Blue Mist]

It's not impossible to watch someone 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, but is's highly impractical and very resource hungry.

I've said it before, but for a act of terror to succeed the perpetrators only have to get it right once. The security services have to be right all of the time; not one mistake; not one off day.

The other problem with watching someone 24 hours a day is they have to do something before you can act. If this offender had a surveillance team on him and they saw him going into a shop and buying a knife what could they do ? arrest him for possessing an offensive weapon ? that would go down well. 5 months of surveillance and he gets a £50 fine. This means he has to actually attack someone before they can act. The last incident in London, he was being followed, but they had to let him stab people before they shot him dead. The sad fact is their is little you do about a lone wolf knife man.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

The other problem with watching someone 24 hours a day is they have to do something before you can act. If this offender had a surveillance team on him and they saw him going into a shop and buying a knife what could they do ? arrest him for possessing an offensive weapon ? that would go down well. 5 months of surveillance and he gets a £50 fine. This means he has to actually attack someone before they can act. The last incident in London, he was being followed, but they had to let him stab people before they shot him dead. The sad fact is their is little you do about a lone wolf knife man.

Not entirely sure what their rules of engagement are for the use of lethal force, but I suspect 'committing, or about to commit an act likely to endanger human life' is probably close.

Having said that, if they were following this individual, then it is likely they would have had something on him already (visiting radical websites/associations/communications), and the act of buying a knife may have tied into other evidence and given grounds for an arrest. This could then have led to more evidence and eventually a conviction.

 

[Bluemanc100]

Correct, with food and room paid for.

You forgot Sky TV, BT Sport, the works...

 

[Bluemanc100]

My son is going through the process or getting Australian Citizenship. he knows cannot break the law or he will be booted out (he doesn't anyway !), he is even concerned about traffic offences or anything that might give them cause. The process is deliberately dragged out for years, it is a great way of making people behave. Perhaps we should be a little less tolerant.

We should be but there are too many fucking do gooders around to allow it to happen. Recent events will make our police and security forces more impotent if they are scared to act in case they offend somebody..

 

[Ancient Citizen]

In a park I’d think it wasn’t a terrorist attack but if you said a white person killed a Muslim in a mosque then yes I’d presume it was a terrorist attack . Ok Then Karen when you heard the news and found out what happened and were told where the attacker was from what did you think and be honest please . I fact a question to all posters on here . Hand on heart what did you think when this news broke ?

I must confess, to my eternal shame, that when I heard the details, my
first thoughts weren't that the local Methodist vicar had gone ape shit.

 

[Bluemanc100]

It’s impossible to stop terrorist attacks IMHO but does anybody think that people who would never have even considered it will begin to carry protection of some kind or will they trust fate?

 

[Ancient Citizen]

So far, all we know is... “Security sources told the Guardian Saadallah had been granted asylum and had previously been in prison in the UK for a relatively minor conviction, not a terrorism offence.”

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...libyan-held-after-three-killed-in-park-attack

This is where we now need to get much stronger in these cases, any foreigner, who has
committed crimes here should be immediately deported. At present, this cannot be done
with citizens of certain countries deemed 'Unsafe,' and Libya is one of them, so we put this
**** inside, at massive expense, light candles, wring our hands, then forget it until the,
inevitable, exact same thing happens again. The qualification attached to these failed
hellholes is long overdue to be scrapped, and these types simply returned there. This is
not beyond the capability of this country, whoever now runs Libya agreed to return the MEN
attacker's brother, and this should have happened to this murderer after his first
criminal act.

 

[Fame Monster]

This is where we now need to get much stronger in these cases, any foreigner, who has
committed crimes here should be immediately deported. At present, this cannot be done
with citizens of certain countries deemed 'Unsafe,' and Libya is one of them, so we put this
**** inside, at massive expense, light candles, wring our hands, then forget it until the,
inevitable, exact same thing happens again. The qualification attached to these failed
hellholes is long overdue to be scrapped, and these types simply returned there. This is
not beyond the capability of this country, whoever now runs Libya agreed to return the MEN
attacker's brother, and this should have happened to this murderer after his first
criminal act.

The caveat I'd put to that is that they should serve a decent part of their sentence in the UK first so the victims know that they've not just flown abroad and been released.

I think the last figures I seen, the deportation numberd had nearly halved over the past 5 years so hopefully Patel will put in place laws to weed out the foreign criminals from this country.