Attacks in Paris

[bluethrunthru]

I do not dispute Brevik was a total nutter but He is an Isolated case where as murders carried out in the name of Islam is actually a daily occurrence and if we keep making excuses and fail to address the really difficult questions regarding extremists things will never improve.

Has to be said he wasn't in the vanguard of a wave of assaults was he? The killings in the name of Islam occur with depressing repetitiveness.

 

[Tricky Dickys Right Foot Shot]

The Torah and the bible contain hate filled shit too, back in the day if you established a religion you had to fight to keep it going. People can live fufilled lives using a religion, only power mad idiots bother with the out of date stuff.

I find it more trouble than it's with religion, some people find peace with it but those that use it for the sole purpose of bringing fear and destruction have a greater effect on the world.

We should just scrap it and start over.

 

[Ducado]

All of these islamic terrorist groups have the goal of creating a worldwide caliphate under shari'a law. All of these groups have expressed this wish openly.

As for why it is to help recruit all muslims essentially. They believe that if they make a world wide caliphate then all muslims will follow their lead then.
It would also allow them to get rid of those who do not bow to them and their wills and demands i.e. non muslims and those who will not convert specifically.

That's the bit that they want their followers to beleive Bin Laden made his famous from Arabia to al-Andalus (What we know as Spain) speech trying to recreate the days of the Caliphs, ISIS is different they are more of a doomsday cult trying to enable the end of days so the Prophet (or God I forget which one) can return to rule the earth, the enlightenment and the subsequent development of Western Civilisation seems to have passed by the Islamic world (Kamal Ataturk the founding father of modern Turkey was of the exact same opinion and much of what he said back then could be said now)

But there is something far deeper going on, people must remember that most of the Muslim world lives in grinding poverty and is governed by repressive regimes, if you travel and talk to a lot of young Muslims in North Africa and around the world (which I have) you find out that they actually want what we have, the sexual liberty, freedom of expression, our relative wealth etc, but it's denied to them.

 

[George Hannah]

No idea what you are saying.

What I was saying was very clear. You'll never stop religious types committing these sort acts in the name of their God(s).

Now...

Stop trying to pick apart my post with your indecipherable gobbledegook and remember that at least 120 people died yesterday with many more seriously wounded.

No you didn't - you changed what you said but I'll try and remember what happened cheers for that.

 

[basokla]

This is another thing that's wrong with society, "let me just stand here and watch people get slaughtered whilst I video it on my phone"

I was thinking along the same lines. At least go help them carry the wounded away. Good grief.

 

[TCIB]

Yeah they want the apocalypse to but just before they would like a nice caliphate. They will not bend from their interpretaion of islamic law in any way, which kind of makes them predictable in a sense.

Yeah i watched a program on Saudi Arabia and their terrorism (not the stuff they fund) is because a few of them are rich as fuck and every other fucker is screwed basically.
Angry young men with no hope or activities to take up their time lose their temper and yeah i can see why when they are not daft and know exactly how much cash is in their rulers hands.

 

[Paulmcfc2703]

I wonder if he was a computer game player? I've only seen the ads on TV but many seem to focus on violence in the streets, bombings, drive-by shootings and the like.

Yes it wasn't IS that warped his mind it was his PS4

 

[big blue balls]

The Muslims you know are more than likely decent people..just not decent Muslims..if they were to take their religion seriously they would be doing the same as those in Paris..as the Quran demands it

In reality..they should not even be mixing with you as an unbeliever

In fact all Muslims in the UK are by their very presence here not good Muslims..as they should according to their own religion seek to live in an Islamic country

I am not a bigot..I'm just an intelligent observer

This is not about race..or what country you're from..this is about the real elephant in the room..religious fundamentalism fuelled by the Quran

It cannot be disputed

Brilliant, the facts don't lie

 

[big blue balls]

People who proclaim intelligence are normally quite the opposite.

You have just been owned by IBH

 

[bluethrunthru]

The inescapable fact is that we have brought so much of this upon ourselves. If we just consider recent history which has the most impact on the present day the 9/11 attacks originated in Afghanistan from a source that had been funded by the U.S. The quarrel was with Afghanistan and Pakistan where as it turned out Bin Ladin was "hiding " all along ) - but as Pakitan was an ally and it suited the Bush Whitehouse Iraq was invaded and Bliar dragged us along on their coat tails.
Saddam Hussain was removed and we then found nobody had really thought of what happens next - we went back into Afghanistan as the Taliban were back there and Iraq became a breeding ground for IS growth - as much as Hussain was disliked his regime kept IS and their creed in check (like Tito did in Yugoslavia post war. When he croaked the grip was lost and the Balkans erupted ) meanwhile bouyed by our ( lack of ) success we went on meddling in the Arab Spring ousted Ghadaffi - again a bad man but he did prevent refugees from Northern and Central Africa from reaching the Med. So now we have a refugee crisis too.
Bottom line is whilst something has to be done the powers that be have to be forced by their electorate to take a measured planned response with a proper exit strategy and a plan for peace and not another knee jerk decision leading to the inevitable balls up and just more and more of the same.

 

[kaz7]

This is another thing that's wrong with society, "let me just stand here and watch people get slaughtered whilst I video it on my phone"

He is a journalist and got shot in the arm doing it,sky are using the footage with the worst blurred out

 

[BimboBob]

I wonder if he was a computer game player? I've only seen the ads on TV but many seem to focus on violence in the streets, bombings, drive-by shootings and the like.

Just a quick point. No link has ever, and I do mean ever, been found/ proved that links video game playing with murdering people in cold blood. Ever.

And another one. Ads on tv always show a "not actual game play" sign on the screen.

One more. I play video games. Have done for years. Never wanted to put on a jacket and blow people up though.

What's happened here has nothing to do with video games and everything to do with religious doctrination, brainwashing and hatred of all things that are opposed to Islamic State including other Muslins. If you are not with them then you are an enemy. Plain and simple.

 

[Zin 'messiah' Zimmer]

The Muslims you know are more than likely decent people..just not decent Muslims..if they were to take their religion seriously they would be doing the same as those in Paris..as the Quran demands it

In reality..they should not even be mixing with you as an unbeliever

In fact all Muslims in the UK are by their very presence here not good Muslims..as they should according to their own religion seek to live in an Islamic country

I am not a bigot..I'm just an intelligent observer

This is not about race..or what country you're from..this is about the real elephant in the room..religious fundamentalism fuelled by the Quran

It cannot be disputed

Genuine question mate, have you read the qur'an, or is this an opinion gaged from different sources???

The problem is media portrayals, amplifications and moral panics created off of the back of misinformation..

The religion fails to evolve with modern times due to the nature of its doctrine, it's finality, however, as scotty stated a little earlier, it's no different from Christianity, just 500 years behind....

Hitchens, as always, had it right..... Leave it at the door, empower women and see how high a society can fly!!!!

 

[Chris in London]

Yeah they want the apocalypse to but just before they would like a nice caliphate. They will not bend from their interpretaion of islamic law in any way, which kind of makes them predictable in a sense.

Yeah i watched a program on Saudi Arabia and their terrorism (not the stuff they fund) is because a few of them are rich as fuck and every other fucker is screwed basically.
Angry young men with no hope or activities to take up their time lose their temper and yeah i can see why when they are not daft and know exactly how much cash is in their rulers hands.

Which is exactly the same problem we had in Northern Ireland. A significant amount of inward economic investment has had a huge impact on the availability of disaffected youth from which the IRA's recruits were drawn.

There are lessons to be learned there.

 

[totallywired]

Unlike yourself, I'm not going to be offensive or insulting, I attack ideas not posters on here. The event is sickening, unarmed innocent men women and children were out enjoying a concert.

I deleted the post as mentioned before, it was as soon I discovered it was fake. I could have highlight that as the attacks were happening Corbyn's old pals at "Stop the War" were suggesting how Muslims will be the real victim as attacks were still being carried out, to me that's extremely insensitive to the victims and victim's families, the Guardian are at it as we speak as well as wikileaks.

Yet I am ridiculed for suggesting partially the route cause was Merkel inviting the world to swarm Europe without any vetting in place which has caused tragic deaths of innocent men, women and children. I mentioned this at the time but was banned from the refugee thread.

`swarm`!! That's says all I need to know about you.

 

[Ducado]

Genuine question mate, have you read the qur'an, or is this an opinion gaged from different sources???

The problem is media portrayals, amplifications and moral panics created off of the back of misinformation..

The religion fails to evolve with modern times due to the nature of its doctrine, it's finality, however, as scotty stated a little earlier, it's no different from Christianity, just 500 years behind....

Hitchens, as always, had it right..... Leave it at the door, empower women and see how high a society can fly!!!!

Which is a fair point mainstream Christianity is nothing like it was say 500 years ago, there have been some tremendous reforms including the reformation and more liberal forms have taken sway, if Judaism has a reform (and a very liberal separate movement) that distances it's self from the more Orthodox interpretations

 

[kas_tippler]

You have just been owned by IBH

A'right IBH

 

[big blue balls]

Which is exactly the same problem we had in Northern Ireland. A significant amount of inward economic investment has had a huge impact on the availability of disaffected youth from which the IRA's recruits were drawn.

There are lessons to be learned there.

No there isn't, if you think Islamists are interested in money you are sadly mistaken, their aim is world domination whether it takes 5 years or 500 years that is their sole aim, you cannot bribe these nutters with jobs and money, most of the European and American recruits to IS already had that and gave it all up to fight for their caliphate

 

[Zin 'messiah' Zimmer]

Which is a fair point mainstream Christianity is nothing like it was say 500 years ago, there have been some tremendous reforms including the reformation and more liberal forms have taken sway, if Judaism has a reform (and a very liberal separate movement) that distances it's self from the more Orthodox interpretations

The enlightenment period has a great deal to answer for....

 

[George Hannah]

Just a quick point. No link has ever, and I do mean ever, been found/ proved that links video game playing with murdering people in cold blood. Ever.

And another one. Ads on tv always show a "not actual game play" sign on the screen.

One more. I play video games. Have done for years. Never wanted to put on a jacket and blow people up though.

What's happened here has nothing to do with video games and everything to do with religious doctrination, brainwashing and hatred of all things that are opposed to Islamic State including other Muslins. If you are not with them then you are an enemy. Plain and simple.

On the subject of video games encouraging violence I think the issue is far from clear cut
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_game_controversies
On the subject of indoctrination I'm sure you're right.