Attacks in Paris

Ask yourself: what is my main gripe with terrorist attacks?

Is it:

A) Innocent people being killed perhaps?

B) The type of person(s) who are killing the innocent people?

C) Maybe it's the type of the innocents that are being killed.

Way more Refugees die on a boat recently trying to get here and no fucker changes their facebook profile picture, not to the extreme as the Paris Attacks.

Shitloads of people (around 600) may have committed suicide here in our country because of our Govts fit-for-work tests.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34838539

The higher the number of assessments the greater the increase in these adverse mental health outcomes, the research in the link above found.

Disability rights campaigners have argued that the process has led to unnecessary deaths.

You don't see any of the oooh sooo caring facebook cunts displaying wheelchairs on the facebook cover do you?

They're probably the same people who have the attitude of: fuck 'em, they should be going to work even though they had both their legs blown off serving in Afghanistan.
 
coleridge said:
No I am just busy. Referring to theological suggestions as 'cold hard fact' is quite bizarre. I don't need a 'comeback'. I am not advocating Islam or any other religion. You stick to your agenda and I will continue to be free.
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They may be theological suggestions but are implemented in whole or in part by quite a few countries.
 
Why Always Ste said:
Ask yourself: what is my main gripe with terrorist attacks?

Is it:

A) Innocent people being killed perhaps?

B) The type of person(s) who are killing the innocent people?

C) Maybe it's the type of the innocents that are being killed.

Way more Refugees die on a boat recently trying to get here and no fucker changes their facebook profile picture, not to the extreme as the Paris Attacks.

Shitloads of people (around 600) may have committed suicide here in our country because of our Govts fit-for-work tests.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34838539

The higher the number of assessments the greater the increase in these adverse mental health outcomes, the research in the link above found.

Disability rights campaigners have argued that the process has led to unnecessary deaths.

You don't see any of the oooh sooo caring facebook cunts displaying wheelchairs on the facebook cover do you?

They're probably the same people who have the attitude of: fuck 'em, they should be going to work even though they had both their legs blown off serving in Afghanistan.
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Sorry then - crack on ISIS - NO BOTHER
 
urmston said:
Why are people mentioning Muslims and Islam in this topic?

As Mrs May reminded us yesterday, not that we needed reminding, the Paris attacks have nothing to do with Islam.
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But it is about Islam. How can Islamic State not have anything to do with Islam?

The whole religion (like all religions) is based on a fictional book that's open to interpretation. You take it literally like IS who believe everything that is non Muslim is punishable by death or you take it like the vast majority of Muslims and use it for its teachings etc. Both are Muslim just interpret a book full of make believe differently.
 
Ducado said:
You make some good points but the facts are wrong, there is no genocide in Palestine, not that it's all good and everyone is throwing rose petals on each other but genocide it aint, The Kashmir question I don't have a clue about to be honest, as for the democratically elected government in Egypt being removed by the CIA, I think you are better looking at the gulf states who have a dislike for the Muslim Brotherhood and political Islam in general and did not want to see one of the largest countries in the Middle East ruled by them.

As for posters cherry picking extracts from the Koran, you can do that with any major religious tract or political tract for that matter, fact is that people will take on board what is relevant and lawful in the society they live in, I guess that most Muslims are the same, one thing that I have noticed is that sometimes people don't take into account that Arabic is a very flowery language and in translation it can appear quite blood thirsty to our ears, often that is not the writers intention
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Fair enough. I am not a religious scholar in any way or much of a Muslim or anything else. Some posters just hate Muslims/Brown people and others just have their own stance from which they adapt their theories accordingly.
I have lived and worked to in Dubai. I am aware of the tight control that all Gulf ruling families have. However, that debate is for another time. If you ask me what I really think about ADUG? Well, that's a discussion for another time, and one that I am planning to have when the decade since the take over arrives.
Finally, despite what some seem to think, I am not a fan of most Muslim practices. In particular, I abhor the oppression of women and other repressions of freedom that all Islamic societies/countries seem to be specialise in. However, that does not make non-Muslim oppression and violence somehow less important. My guess is that most of the people that act/think that way don't imagine Muslims in any other context. In Manchester, I find that a bizarre situation, as there are Muslims in every walk of life in this City and surrounds.
 
Paulmcfc2703 said:
But it is about Islam. How can Islamic State not have anything to do with Islam?

The whole religion (like all religions) is based on a fictional book that's open to interpretation. You take it literally like IS who believe everything that is non Muslim is punishable by death or you take it like the vast majority of Muslims and use it for its teachings etc. Both are Muslim just interpret a book full of make believe differently.
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You're right but I think urmston's post was done with his tongue firmly planted in his cheek.
 
west didsblue said:
They may be theological suggestions but are implemented in whole or in part by quite a few countries.
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Agreed but it doesn't make them either correct in Islam or defensible in any form of morality. As I said earlier, the essence is the Ummah, a border-less concept based on individual belief and no more than occasional collective worship.
 
Gelsons Dad said:
It's good to make light of it. And I note that Mr C didn't respond. Perhaps he is one of the 28% overall or 37% of 16 to 24 year old UK Muslims who would prefer to live under Sharia.
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HaHaHa. I wonder what proportion of the Swiss would prefer to live in a White-only fascist state?
 
coleridge said:
Fair enough. I am not a religious scholar in any way or much of a Muslim or anything else. Some posters just hate Muslims/Brown people and others just have their own stance from which they adapt their theories accordingly.
I have lived and worked to in Dubai. I am aware of the tight control that all Gulf ruling families have. However, that debate is for another time. If you ask me what I really think about ADUG? Well, that's a discussion for another time, and one that I am planning to have when the decade since the take over arrives.
Finally, despite what some seem to think, I am not a fan of most Muslim practices. In particular, I abhor the oppression of women and other repressions of freedom that all Islamic societies/countries seem to be specialise in. However, that does not make non-Muslim oppression and violence somehow less important. My guess is that most of the people that act/think that way don't imagine Muslims in any other context. In Manchester, I find that a bizarre situation, as there are Muslims in every walk of life in this City and surrounds.
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I wasn't trying to get at you as I have great respect for your views and you take a modern view of your religion, which is consistent with the more liberal society in which we live. I'm sure that acts like the ones in Paris make you sick to the stomach in the same way that indiscriminate and intolerant acts by Israelis do to me. You can't imagine living in a society where women have lesser rights and punishments for which you'd get a slap on the wrist here would involve getting your hand sliced off at the wrist.

But it's a fact that other Muslims, even if a small minority, have a very different view. Even if you lived in places like Saudi Arabia or Pakistan, then your views, which are considered mainstream here, could well be regarded as out of kilter with the orthodox views in those cultures because they aren't as liberal as ours. At its most extreme there are groups like ISIS or the Taliban, who insist on implementing a literal and very conservative view of Sharia.

I understand where you're coming from as I can't imagine living in an ultra-religious group of Jews with all the restrictions on what I can do or think that this would entail. But I recognise that they're still Jews, even if there's no common ground between them and me.
 
Why Always Ste said:
Ask yourself: what is my main gripe with terrorist attacks?

Is it:

A) Innocent people being killed perhaps?

B) The type of person(s) who are killing the innocent people?

C) Maybe it's the type of the innocents that are being killed.

Way more Refugees die on a boat recently trying to get here and no fucker changes their facebook profile picture, not to the extreme as the Paris Attacks.

Shitloads of people (around 600) may have committed suicide here in our country because of our Govts fit-for-work tests.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34838539

The higher the number of assessments the greater the increase in these adverse mental health outcomes, the research in the link above found.

Disability rights campaigners have argued that the process has led to unnecessary deaths.

You don't see any of the oooh sooo caring facebook cunts displaying wheelchairs on the facebook cover do you?

They're probably the same people who have the attitude of: fuck 'em, they should be going to work even though they had both their legs blown off serving in Afghanistan.
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I have heard this argument before and to be honest it's not really valid, we are shocked at things that are very close to home for the vast majority of people and we all have a scale as to how much we are bothered normally the further away from us or our lifestyle etc the less we seem to react I would say care but that would be unfair the world can be a very scary place and we are inundated with tragedies on a daily basis
 
Why Always Ste said:
Ask yourself: what is my main gripe with terrorist attacks?

Is it:

A) Innocent people being killed perhaps?

B) The type of person(s) who are killing the innocent people?

C) Maybe it's the type of the innocents that are being killed.

Way more Refugees die on a boat recently trying to get here and no fucker changes their facebook profile picture, not to the extreme as the Paris Attacks.

Shitloads of people (around 600) may have committed suicide here in our country because of our Govts fit-for-work tests.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34838539

The higher the number of assessments the greater the increase in these adverse mental health outcomes, the research in the link above found.

Disability rights campaigners have argued that the process has led to unnecessary deaths.

You don't see any of the oooh sooo caring facebook cunts displaying wheelchairs on the facebook cover do you?

They're probably the same people who have the attitude of: fuck 'em, they should be going to work even though they had both their legs blown off serving in Afghanistan.
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As one of those Facebook cunts you so eloquently refer to, I take it that if there's a terrorist attack in Block 110/111 at our ground on Saturday against Liverpool that kills hundreds of City fans, you won't be any more upset/shocked/outraged than if a terrorist attack happened on the other side of the world?

As Ducado said, the things that happen closer to home get talked about the most. By the same token, a deadly terrorist attack in Pakistan is likely to make more headlines over there than the attacks in Paris which is perfectly understandable IMO.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
I wasn't trying to get at you as I have great respect for your views and you take a modern view of your religion, which is consistent with the more liberal society in which we live. I'm sure that acts like the ones in Paris make you sick to the stomach in the same way that indiscriminate and intolerant acts by Israelis do to me. You can't imagine living in a society where women have lesser rights and punishments for which you'd get a slap on the wrist here would involve getting your hand sliced off at the wrist.

But it's a fact that other Muslims, even if a small minority, have a very different view. Even if you lived in places like Saudi Arabia or Pakistan, then your views, which are considered mainstream here, could well be regarded as out of kilter with the orthodox views in those cultures because they aren't as liberal as ours. At its most extreme there are groups like ISIS or the Taliban, who insist on implementing a literal and very conservative view of Sharia.

I understand where you're coming from as I can't imagine living in an ultra-religious group of Jews with all the restrictions on what I can do or think that this would entail. But I recognise that they're still Jews, even if there's no common ground between them and me.
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Your elephant in the room is the support for the state of Israel. My only loyalty is to the UK. However, I do have a sympathy for Pakistan [as you raised it]. Parts of it are, of course, medieval in thinking. However, there is a younger generation there who are modernising as best they can. It is a very rich culture and, as the world's first and most powerful Islamic Republic [in terms of the military at least], is highly influential. It is a contradictory country. On the one hand it is the sworn defender of the holy places [including the Al Aqsa] and so [almost inadvertently] boosts Saudi power. On the other, the speed of digital media uptake and output is way ahead of the rest of the Muslim world. Per capita, Pakistan is actually wealthier than India. So watch this space.

I also understand that you have your own way of viewing Judaism and so I cannot comment further on that. For me, I am not a Muslim out of choice. I'd like to not be one any more but it's not quite possible somehow. However, I am trying to ensure that my three children are atheists as I don't want them hanging round religious communities {I always avoid that where possible] or spending their lives being in some form of guilt [that I cannot escape].
 
coleridge said:
Your elephant in the room is the support for the state of Israel. My only loyalty is to the UK. However, I do have a sympathy for Pakistan [as you raised it]. Parts of it are, of course, medieval in thinking. However, there is a younger generation there who are modernising as best they can. It is a very rich culture and, as the world's first and most powerful Islamic Republic [in terms of the military at least], is highly influential. It is a contradictory country. On the one hand it is the sworn defender of the holy places [including the Al Aqsa] and so [almost inadvertently] boosts Saudi power. On the other, the speed of digital media uptake and output is way ahead of the rest of the Muslim world. Per capita, Pakistan is actually wealthier than India. So watch this space.

I also understand that you have your own way of viewing Judaism and so I cannot comment further on that. For me, I am not a Muslim out of choice. I'd like to not be one any more but it's not quite possible somehow. However, I am trying to ensure that my three children are atheists as I don't want them hanging round religious communities {I always avoid that where possible] or spending their lives being in some form of guilt [that I cannot escape].
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sorry for butting in, but that i find intriguing, how so? genuinely interested, i would understand if you would not rather say
 
tonea2003 said:
sorry for butting in, but that i find intriguing, how so? genuinely interested, i would understand if you would not rather say
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Somethings you are born into and have family history and currency in those things. Don't worry, not even my atheist wife understands and so has given up asking me.
 
Whilst people are arguing about Religion IS are getting a right old blasting from the Russians, they appear to have made the same mistake as Hitler in trying to fight more enemies than they have the resources to cope with, people like to beleive the journalistic hype about IS but a force of some 20,000 needs a hell of a lot of ammunition let alone logistical support to carry on, with the world arms markets effectively closed to them, (and reports of wage cuts dressed up as a test of faith for some front line fighters) their end will come soon, that's why they are so dangerous at the moment they are cornered in their heartland so they are lashing out
 
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