Aymeric Laporte

[Andrew___K]

Once a club realizes that a player is going to move on regardless, what's to stop them from saying - OK - we agree. Pay us (for example) 65m (buyout was 55m) and we agree.

But they also can say 'pay us 90m', with City deciding that it's too much and going back to Evans.

 

[aguero93:20]

Once a club realizes that a player is going to move on regardless, what's to stop them from saying - OK - we agree. Pay us (for example) 65m (buyout was 55m) and we agree.

Bilbao aren't unreasonable, plus Txiki has a good relationship with them, we'll probably end up paying around £60m. The only time they've insisted on the player themselves paying the clause was for Herrera as the rags pissed them off by treating them as an irrelevance when they were unaware of the tax issue.

But they also can say 'pay us 90m', with City deciding that it's too much and going back to Evans.

See above, they won't.

 

[CITYROBBO]

@CITYROBBO

Hiya pal, you didn't answer my question?

Sorry for the late reply mate. He is a player whose potential is waiting to be fully unlocked and no better coach than Pep to do so. £57M might sound expensive, but he is a signing for 8 and potentially next 10 years.Strong in the air, very comfortable on the ball, and left-sided too. He was rated far better than Umtiti before his injury for France u21 2 years ago. It was a huge setback at the time and since then he has become stagnant at Athletic Bilbao in a very average team. He has that younger Kompany aurora about him. Praying we get this done fast with no issues.

 

[Lancet Fluke]

Quite understandably the rags are starting to quote his total costs as per Sanchez. The general figure seems to be one of £150 million. They seem to forget that we will have him for 6 years where he will be in his prime and it could only rise to this level if all targets are met. In which case it would be money well spent. Add to this that if required there will be sell on value as well.
So all things considered maybe comparison between the two are not valid.

I've read some really strange stuff in the last 24 hours. It's like the football world is suddenly incapable of understanding the premise that clubs might have values in mind for potential targets. So read lots of dirty red bastards suggest that it can't have been about the money with sanchez because this proves we did have the funds. Well of course we have the funds, but we didn't value sanchez at 500k a week or whatever the **** was asking for. I then read an article on a Liverpool site where the author seemed utterly baffled that it had been suggested that Liverpool had baulked at the figures suggested for Laporte when they clearly had the money because they subsequently spent more on VVD. Presumably they just rated VVD more highly. I'm not sure why it is confusing anyone, it's all fairly basic stuff.

 

[CityInWashingtonState]

But they also can say 'pay us 90m', with City deciding that it's too much and going back to Evans.

Cat and mouse I suppose. If we never intended to pay the buyout plus tax liability in the first place - and if the club were never going to sell unless absolutely necessary unless receiving buyout plus tax liability (or nearly so) - then yes, the deal falls through.

But the "buyout clause" would seem to be merely a starting point in negotiations - the real buyout being nominal buyout plus tax liability less amount willing to be covered by player/owning club.

 

[FantasyIreland]

Sorry for the late reply mate. He is a player whose potential is waiting to be fully unlocked and no better coach than Pep to do so. £57M might sound expensive, but he is a signing for 8 and potentially next 10 years.Strong in the air, very comfortable on the ball, and left-sided too. He was rated far better than Umtiti before his injury for France u21 2 years ago. It was a huge setback at the time and since then he has become stagnant at Athletic Bilbao in a very average team. He has that younger Kompany aurora about him. Praying we get this done fast with no issues.

Thanks Robbo,appreciate the insight,he sounds just the job.

 

[manygoose]

I thought they changed the tax thing and release clauses a couple of years back

 

[cjn]

For those concerned about buyout clause taxes, this was changed in 2016 and the payment is now tax free to the player. Even if Bilbao want to play hardball we pay the buyout clause, we get the player, period.

http://www.cityam.com/252013/recent-change-spains-tax-laws-could-make-buying-liga-manchester-united

http://worldsoccertalk.com/2017/08/02/how-do-spanish-football-buyout-clauses-work/

 

[CityInWashingtonState]

For those concerned about buyout clause taxes, this was changed in 2016 and the payment is now tax free to the player. We pay the buyout clause, we get the player, period.

http://www.cityam.com/252013/recent-change-spains-tax-laws-could-make-buying-liga-manchester-united

http://worldsoccertalk.com/2017/08/02/how-do-spanish-football-buyout-clauses-work/

This seems like a much more sensible arrangement - the other way round looks to be fraught with potential controversy regarding just how much taxes are owed.

 

[Inter Me Nan]

Will take time as per men



Reports in Spain suggest the deal has been struck, but MEN Sport understands the two clubs are still wrangling over the fee - and the deal may not even get done before next week's transfer deadline.

How can they be haggling over a fee when it's a buy out clause?

 

[BlueMoonz1977]

How can they be haggling over a fee when it's a buy out clause?

You cant haggle over a buyout clause can you and yet have the deal struck ?????? Dont know where he has got that info from but cant be right

 

[Gremlin]

How can they be haggling over a fee when it's a buy out clause?

City would obviously rather not pay the full buy out clause unless they have to so might be exploring if Athletic might accept a bit less. Athletic obviously want to hold out for the full amount. The usual negotiating cut and thrust with the fallback on City's side of paying the full amount if necessary. They may not do so if they don't think he's worth that much - who knows?

 

[CityInWashingtonState]

How can they be haggling over a fee when it's a buy out clause?

Because the selling club can accept less than the buyout - buyout is the maximum you'll need to pay to the seller (but some other fees may apparently accrue to other parties such as agent, part owners of the player, etc.).

 

[Chevelle]

All the news like 12 hours ago was saying it was all done? Funny world.

 

[Hoghead]

How can they be haggling over a fee when it's a buy out clause?

Maybe they don't want Mangala in part exchange?

 

[BlueMoonz1977]

City Watch
@City_Watch
Manchester City have informed Athletic Bilbao that they will pay Aymeric Laporte's release clause, most likely on Thursday or Friday. [El Correo]
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City decided to invest heavily on Laporte because of his youth and talent, knowing Jonny Evans, a cheaper alternative, would offer less longevity. Guardiola has wanted to sign Laporte for a long time. [El Correo]

 

[Armaan]

All the news like 12 hours ago was saying it was all done? Funny world.

One thing I’ve learnt over the past couple of years is that the media whether they be english german Spanish or whatever, know absolutely fuck all. If they say it’s immiment it means there’s a long long way to go yet. Sick of these lying bastard journalists.

 

[Armaan]

City Watch
@City_Watch
Manchester City have informed Athletic Bilbao that they will pay Aymeric Laporte's release clause, most likely on Thursday or Friday. [El Correo]
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City decided to invest heavily on Laporte because of his youth and talent, knowing Jonny Evans, a cheaper alternative, would offer less longevity. Guardiola has wanted to sign Laporte for a long time. [El Correo]

Why not today?

 

[Taylor]

How can they be haggling over a fee when it's a buy out clause?

He’s talking out his arse as per usual. The only negotiation will be how we pay. Upfront cost and then staggered payments.

 

[Gremlin]

Maybe they don't want Mangala in part exchange?

Not as daft as it sounds - there would certainly be an attraction in a swap (plus cash) for City. Athletic probably less keen. i'd be surprised if Txiki hadn't at least tried it on them.