Bad day thats all!

moomba said:
BillyShears said:
Yep....not much chance of him changing anything.

If he does lose his job we'll all know why....and it won't be because someone said it on a messageboard...


Because the previous manager wasnt interested in spending any of his hundreds of millions on a mobile, attack minded, creative central midfielder?

I think if that's the case there's no danger of Mancini losing his job because surely our owners aren't so stupid, blinkered, blind, ignorant, and short sighted, that they'd sack a manager because of the PREVIOUS manager's failings...????

Nah, didn't think so....if Mancini is dispensed with, he'll only have himself to blame...
 
BillyShears said:
moomba said:
Because the previous manager wasnt interested in spending any of his hundreds of millions on a mobile, attack minded, creative central midfielder?

I think if that's the case there's no danger of Mancini losing his job because surely our owners aren't so stupid, blinkered, blind, ignorant, and short sighted, that they'd sack a manager because of the PREVIOUS manager's failings...????

Nah, didn't think so....if Mancini is dispensed with, he'll only have himself to blame...
Wise words if I may say so. Is that your personal take Billy or is Old Nick starting to feel chilly?
 
BillyShears said:
Nah, didn't think so....if Mancini is dispensed with, he'll only have himself to blame...

They might have someone already lined up, can't see what Mancini could have done if that was the case.

If he's at risk of losing his job based on performances and result so far I'd say the clubs expectations are wildly unrealistic. After keeping the former manager on after the disaster of last season I doubt that is the case.
 
moomba said:
BillyShears said:
Nah, didn't think so....if Mancini is dispensed with, he'll only have himself to blame...

They might have someone already lined up, can't see what Mancini could have done if that was the case.

If he's at risk of losing his job based on performances and result so far I'd say the clubs expectations are wildly unrealistic. After keeping the former manager on after the disaster of last season I doubt that is the case.

This season was always going to be an extended job interview for Mancini. I don't for one moment believe that we already have someone who has agreed to take over in the summer.

After yesterday's loss he has accumulated 4 more points than Hughes having had the same amount games this season. I'm not sure that that's enough of an improvement in the owners eyes to warrant keeping him. Especially, if other, better, managers are available in the summer...
 
I don't know, 66 points from 34 would look a whole lot better than 58 that we were on track for. I don't think we were going that bad before results wise and I was surprised when the change was made.

But that judgement was not made on 17 matches, it was made on 77.

I'd guess (and it is just a guess) the owners will give Mancini a similar courtesy.
 
BillyShears said:
moomba said:
They might have someone already lined up, can't see what Mancini could have done if that was the case.

If he's at risk of losing his job based on performances and result so far I'd say the clubs expectations are wildly unrealistic. After keeping the former manager on after the disaster of last season I doubt that is the case.

This season was always going to be an extended job interview for Mancini. I don't for one moment believe that we already have someone who has agreed to take over in the summer.

After yesterday's loss he has accumulated 4 more points than Hughes having had the same amount games this season. I'm not sure that that's enough of an improvement in the owners eyes to warrant keeping him. Especially, if other, better, managers are available in the summer...


and they might be....?
 
Fact of the matter is had we hired Mancini from the start of the season, we'd be miles ahead of Chelsea or those inbred lot by now.

It's not Mancini's fault if we can't secure forth spot.
 
the guy is ok, he just seems to be shit scared of going for it, we have the players to beat anyone but we have to play to our strengths and we certainly did'nt do that yesterday.
we can't really lose can we, if we get jose in fantastic, if bob gets his own players in, fantastic.
4th or 5th we will be proper up for it next season.
i can't wait already.
 
moomba said:
I'd guess (and it is just a guess) the owners will give Mancini a similar courtesy.

To be honest I hope they do. I can't help but feel though, that if someone right out of the top drawer (someone who's won more, is more experienced, maybe even someone who's won the premiership before) becomes available, they will see sacking Mancini as a necessary evil. And lets face it, if there is a six month break clause in his contract, then this very scenario has been planned for...
 
kobe8byrant said:
Fact of the matter is had we hired Mancini from the start of the season, we'd be miles ahead of Chelsea or those inbred lot by now.

It's not Mancini's fault if we can't secure forth spot.

not true but i admire your blind optimism.
we have not yet got the squad to challenge the top clubs, the mind set is'nt there, either by the manager or the players.uniteds second team never looked in danger yesterday.
 
de niro said:
kobe8byrant said:
Fact of the matter is had we hired Mancini from the start of the season, we'd be miles ahead of Chelsea or those inbred lot by now.

It's not Mancini's fault if we can't secure forth spot.

not true but i admire your blind optimism.
we have not yet got the squad to challenge the top clubs, the mind set is'nt there, either by the manager or the players.uniteds second team never looked in danger yesterday.

United's second team? Apart from Ferdinand, that was their first eleven. We all know that Rooney is feigning that fuckin' ankle injury. We matched United in all three matches against them and have outplayed Chelsea who happen to be title leaders.

If Mancini were here since July, there'd be no doubt in my mind we'd be top of the league. And let's face it, if there are any shortcomings in our team, it's not Mancini's signings that he has worked with.
 
kobe8byrant said:
de niro said:
not true but i admire your blind optimism.
we have not yet got the squad to challenge the top clubs, the mind set is'nt there, either by the manager or the players.uniteds second team never looked in danger yesterday.

United's second team? Apart from Ferdinand, that was their first eleven. We all know that Rooney is feigning that fuckin' ankle injury. We matched United in all three matches against them and have outplayed Chelsea who happen to be title leaders.

If Mancini were here since July, there'd be no doubt in my mind we'd be top of the league. And let's face it, if there are any shortcomings in our team, it's not Mancini's signings that he has worked with.

we lost 3 of the 4 matches against the rags, we were lucky to win the one we did.
in fact had we gone at them we would have been at wembley.

we are just far too negative when it really matters.
 
bondsman said:
Just a bad day? Behave. Yet again when it mattered we blew it. Since we have become a club of means we have lost every game that really mattered without a whimper. Forrest. Hamburg. United semis. United yesterday. Stoke the list is long. We played the worst united side of the last next decade yesterday with arguably our best side and we bottled it. So frustrating. The only mandate for new players is simple. Buy winners!

And when we have bought the winners? The players such as Ade and Bellers, we were told had the winning mentality. There's more to a football match than sticking on so-called 'winners'. To me you only reach that accolade when they have done it for us. Winning with the Arse, or CFC or MANUre doesn't count. They have to win it for us first. So who do you get? There are a thousand variables in getting a successful CL side - the players, the manager, the club, and the fans are the cornerstones but there's much more to it than that.

We are pretty near making 4th spot or better our own by right. Just needs a little tweaking of the other 996 variables. In the fallout of yesterday, I understand that Cook and Marwood are back at the drawing board and computer simulation.
 
bondsman said:
Just a bad day? Behave. Yet again when it mattered we blew it. Since we have become a club of means we have lost every game that really mattered without a whimper. Forrest. Hamburg. United semis. United yesterday. Stoke the list is long. We played the worst united side of the last next decade yesterday with arguably our best side and we bottled it. So frustrating. The only mandate for new players is simple. Buy winners!

I find it hard to disagree with this ......

We created little yesterday , we never really 'went for it' , our final ball was always a poor one (barring one Bellamy effort) , and we allowed them to dictate the first half ......... even though they basically had only had one half-fit striker on the field!

We gave the ball away far too much throughout , and this effectively led to their winning goal in the end ...... Johnson was having little effect , leading to him being replaced ...... we could go on and on , but the games gone now.

We never , at any stage , ever really looked like winning it ...... and the sad thing is that we lost it to a side who even , on their own managers admission , never looked like winning it either!!!
 
de niro said:
kobe8byrant said:
United's second team? Apart from Ferdinand, that was their first eleven. We all know that Rooney is feigning that fuckin' ankle injury. We matched United in all three matches against them and have outplayed Chelsea who happen to be title leaders.

If Mancini were here since July, there'd be no doubt in my mind we'd be top of the league. And let's face it, if there are any shortcomings in our team, it's not Mancini's signings that he has worked with.

we lost 3 of the 4 matches against the rags, we were lucky to win the one we did.
in fact had we gone at them we would have been at wembley.

we are just far too negative when it really matters.

I agree. Worst feeling I can remember at a match yesterday. People crying even - not something you normally see at City despite the constant let downs.

I'm sure Mancini was trying to urge the players to get forward in the last 10 minutes, but there were two or three occasions when we had good posession and nobody made a forward move - all looking sideways and backwards. I know we defend as a team, but it often seems like everyone is more worried about leaving a gap behind them then actually trying to win the game.
 
de niro said:
kobe8byrant said:
United's second team? Apart from Ferdinand, that was their first eleven. We all know that Rooney is feigning that fuckin' ankle injury. We matched United in all three matches against them and have outplayed Chelsea who happen to be title leaders.

If Mancini were here since July, there'd be no doubt in my mind we'd be top of the league. And let's face it, if there are any shortcomings in our team, it's not Mancini's signings that he has worked with.

we lost 3 of the 4 matches against the rags, we were lucky to win the one we did.
in fact had we gone at them we would have been at wembley.

we are just far too negative when it really matters.

Michael Owen's goal shouldn't have stood = United won through LUCK
Scholes in the 93rd minute = United won through LUCK

We only lost one game to United this season and even that was due to the players under pressure after Cook's comments. Sure, attribute our win to luck and give them all the credit.

If we didn't have a go at them, how did we score two at Old Trafford while beating them once and almost drawing yesterday. It was bad luck that cost us the defeat yesterday.
 
mammutly said:
de niro said:
we lost 3 of the 4 matches against the rags, we were lucky to win the one we did.
in fact had we gone at them we would have been at wembley.

we are just far too negative when it really matters.

I agree. Worst feeling I can remember at a match yesterday. People crying even - not something you normally see at City despite the constant let downs.

I'm sure Mancini was trying to urge the players to get forward in the last 10 minutes, but there were two or three occasions when we had good posession and nobody made a forward move - all looking sideways and backwards. I know we defend as a team, but it often seems like everyone is more worried about leaving a gap behind them then actually trying to win the game.

It's been a feature of the team since Mancini took over. Without willing runners from midfield, you're not going to break down a decent premiership back four without a piece of luck or a piece of magic...
 
I really dont know what all the fuss is about.

The only reason people are so miffed at the mo is not because we lost the derby - it is because Spurs unexpectedly won 2 hard games on the trot - thats about it.

We have been lucky recently with them, Liverpool and Villa slipping up - so get real for God's sake - still in our hands at least until next week anyway but I think we will end up having to win the 3 last games - but if Bolton get a scabby draw at Spurs you never know!
 
kobe8byrant said:
de niro said:
we lost 3 of the 4 matches against the rags, we were lucky to win the one we did.
in fact had we gone at them we would have been at wembley.

we are just far too negative when it really matters.

Michael Owen's goal shouldn't have stood = United won through LUCK
Scholes in the 93rd minute = United won through LUCK

We only lost one game to United this season and even that was due to the players under pressure after Cook's comments. Sure, attribute our win to luck and give them all the credit.

If we didn't have a go at them, how did we score two at Old Trafford while beating them once and almost drawing yesterday. It was bad luck that cost us the defeat yesterday.
whatever you're on i want some:)
at least you are keen.
 
de niro said:
kobe8byrant said:
Michael Owen's goal shouldn't have stood = United won through LUCK
Scholes in the 93rd minute = United won through LUCK

We only lost one game to United this season and even that was due to the players under pressure after Cook's comments. Sure, attribute our win to luck and give them all the credit.

If we didn't have a go at them, how did we score two at Old Trafford while beating them once and almost drawing yesterday. It was bad luck that cost us the defeat yesterday.
whatever you're on i want some:)
at least you are keen.

I wouldn't want anything you're on either.
 

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