Baltimore riots

[scotty123]

These are the 6 police officers facing charges.

The Whites look more evil and why havn't they got white pointy hoods on with eye slits? oh wait, they are normal police officers doing a tough job in hard circumstances
Wonder if rent a riot mob have been around the black officers houses and burnt them out and kicked and beaten their families to the ground
Lets get this straight, all 6 officers black or white are most probably decent people and will be as appalled as everybody else that somebody has lost their life, but no there's going to be a witchunt against them to satisfy the baying mob

Nobody loses their life if you stick a seat belt on them, taking them to the station, rather than subject them to 'traditional punishment'.

Were you in the back of the van? no you were not so stop stirring shit and let the Baltimore authorities get to the bottom of it, if the officers ...black or white...did anything wrong then throw the book at them, if not let them get on with their jobs at a future date, but no doubt now the American twitterati and busy fuckers will be on their case until they are forced to quit and move elsewhere in the States

 

[Ancient Citizen]

"It's a shame no ones got pics of the white cops kicking fuck out of the black lad in the police van, which resulted in all this.
I won't hold my breath that they are done for murder".

Have you led a sheltered life pal ?, well heres a bit of news you may have missed, coppers the world over will give you a kicking after they nick you IF YOU HAVE BEEN AN ARSEHOLE,
Its nothing to do with skin colour an more to do with disturbing their donut munching and making them chase you, or a bit of payback for what you did ( Catch a mugger who just done a little old lady an tell me you would not give him a slap or three ).

They will go on with "Its cos I is black" while people like you jump on the all cops are racist nonsense, just as their street protests about "Whitey" always end up with looting new trainers............Note there's never a report about any work-boots being stolen

Utter drivel. It`s all about race. The racist cops killing Black men.(quote)

What was that again?

 

[Wio Gumflapdinand]

These are the 6 police officers facing charges.

The Whites look more evil and why havn't they got white pointy hoods on with eye slits? oh wait, they are normal police officers doing a tough job in hard circumstances
Wonder if rent a riot mob have been around the black officers houses and burnt them out and kicked and beaten their families to the ground
Lets get this straight, all 6 officers black or white are most probably decent people and will be as appalled as everybody else that somebody has lost their life, but no there's going to be a witchunt against them to satisfy the baying mob

Nobody loses their life if you stick a seat belt on them, taking them to the station, rather than subject them to 'traditional punishment'.

If the vehicle was in a accident and they hadn't secured the perp in a seatbelt then maybe I might start to think they hold responsibility but come on seatbelt or not this guys going to bang his head off the sides of the van. Actually if you asked me before all this if I thought cops buckled in perps like a infant child I would have thought no, never seen it on any cop shows or films.
Maybe we should think of bringing in police prams for picking up criminals, slightly bigger versions than a baby's one. If the perp gets cranky the cop could just gently rock the pram and lull the perp in to submission.

 

[Bigga]

The Whites look more evil and why havn't they got white pointy hoods on with eye slits? oh wait, they are normal police officers doing a tough job in hard circumstances
Wonder if rent a riot mob have been around the black officers houses and burnt them out and kicked and beaten their families to the ground
Lets get this straight, all 6 officers black or white are most probably decent people and will be as appalled as everybody else that somebody has lost their life, but no there's going to be a witchunt against them to satisfy the baying mob

Nobody loses their life if you stick a seat belt on them, taking them to the station, rather than subject them to 'traditional punishment'.

Were you in the back of the van? no you were not so stop stirring shit and let the Baltimore authorities get to the bottom of it, if the officers ...black or white...did anything wrong then throw the book at them, if not let them get on with their jobs at a future date, but no doubt now the American twitterati and busy fuckers will be on their case until they are forced to quit and move elsewhere in the States

Shit stirring??

The announcement by Baltimore City State's Attorney Marilyn Mosby left no doubt about what she thinks happened April 12, when Gray was arrested: The 25-year-old died, she said, after suffering "a severe and critical neck injury" while being transported "handcuffed, shackled by his feet and unrestrained" inside a police van. It is against police policy to transport a prisoner without proper restraints such as a seat belt.

A practice that has been used for 10 years as testimonies come out on a daily basis about the matter and one of the reasons Baltimore cops pay so much money out.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

Nobody loses their life if you stick a seat belt on them, taking them to the station, rather than subject them to 'traditional punishment'.

Were you in the back of the van? no you were not so stop stirring shit and let the Baltimore authorities get to the bottom of it, if the officers ...black or white...did anything wrong then throw the book at them, if not let them get on with their jobs at a future date, but no doubt now the American twitterati and busy fuckers will be on their case until they are forced to quit and move elsewhere in the States

Shit stirring??

The announcement by Baltimore City State's Attorney Marilyn Mosby left no doubt about what she thinks happened April 12, when Gray was arrested: The 25-year-old died, she said, after suffering "a severe and critical neck injury" while being transported "handcuffed, shackled by his feet and unrestrained" inside a police van. It is against police policy to transport a prisoner without proper restraints such as a seat belt.

A practice that has been used for 10 years as testimonies come out on a daily basis about the matter and one of the reasons Baltimore cops pay so much money out.

Do the racist white cops have to pay out or is it just the racist black ones?

 

[roaminblue]

This threads a fucking cess pool, like all of these threads become.

I spent several years living in the states, best time of my life, only on one occasion did I witness something uncomfortable that was race related.

However, in many ways, we should be lucky that our country is vastly dissimilar to the US. In some areas they have real, genuine poverty. They have poverty on a scale that we probably can't imagine. They genuinely have terrible education in places, they have people who from the day they are born literally have no hope. I know we do to, but the scale in the US is different. Our crime rates pale in comparison to theirs, the gangs especially. We think communities in the UK aren't integrated, its on a whole different scale in the US. Maybe its to be expected, it has a government that historically hasn't tried to pull the bottom up. MAybe its the sheer size of the place.

But what is certain is, I don't think any of us can really understand the dynamics of the situation over there. Even those from the states, I'd imagine, are probably not from places like sandtown in Baltimore, east st. Louis in Missouri.

The problem isn't necessarily that these cops are racist . The problem is that there is a very definite line drawn in policing, one not neccessarily along racial lines, but there is a line. Its that, a black guy with baggy trousers in Ellwood Baltimore is definitely a criminal. Its that in North East LA, a latino man walking the streets at night is a gang banger, its that the white redneck in Louisiana is a meth cook.

Maybe its because of the high levels of crime, the cops feel like soldiers. Maybe its because its cops are trained to be aggressive rather than be compassionate, the US still holds that frontier mentality, after all. Maybe its because they are desensitized.

But, regardless of the cause, its just straight up wrong. THe black community in parts of baltimore do have a reason to be angry. They are viewed with suspiciion, governmental intervention has forgotten them, and their education levels, their poverty levels are in some cases extreme.

Until the US sorts the above out, whether its for the black guy, the asian guy, the latino, or even the white guy; areas of the US are forgotten completely, and for the most developed country in the world, its a crying shame

 

[tonea2003]

This threads a fucking cess pool, like all of these threads become.

I spent several years living in the states, best time of my life, only on one occasion did I witness something uncomfortable that was race related.

However, in many ways, we should be lucky that our country is vastly dissimilar to the US. In some areas they have real, genuine poverty. They have poverty on a scale that we probably can't imagine. They genuinely have terrible education in places, they have people who from the day they are born literally have no hope. I know we do to, but the scale in the US is different. Our crime rates pale in comparison to theirs, the gangs especially. We think communities in the UK aren't integrated, its on a whole different scale in the US. Maybe its to be expected, it has a government that historically hasn't tried to pull the bottom up. MAybe its the sheer size of the place.

But what is certain is, I don't think any of us can really understand the dynamics of the situation over there. Even those from the states, I'd imagine, are probably not from places like sandtown in Baltimore, east st. Louis in Missouri.

The problem isn't necessarily that these cops are racist . The problem is that there is a very definite line drawn in policing, one not neccessarily along racial lines, but there is a line. Its that, a black guy with baggy trousers in Ellwood Baltimore is definitely a criminal. Its that in North East LA, a latino man walking the streets at night is a gang banger, its that the white redneck in Louisiana is a meth cook.

Maybe its because of the high levels of crime, the cops feel like soldiers. Maybe its because its cops are trained to be aggressive rather than be compassionate, the US still holds that frontier mentality, after all. Maybe its because they are desensitized.

But, regardless of the cause, its just straight up wrong. THe black community in parts of baltimore do have a reason to be angry. They are viewed with suspiciion, governmental intervention has forgotten them, and their education levels, their poverty levels are in some cases extreme.

Until the US sorts the above out, whether its for the black guy, the asian guy, the latino, or even the white guy; areas of the US are forgotten completely, and for the most developed country in the world, its a crying shame

nobody who hasn't been in these deprived communities can totally understand as you put it the dynamics that exist within them.
the socio/econmic issues absolutely need sorting as they would in joberg/rio/kingston/jakarta/beruit etc

but i still don't accept any justification for attacking innocent people and destroying livelyhoods

 

[Bigga]

This threads a fucking cess pool, like all of these threads become.

I spent several years living in the states, best time of my life, only on one occasion did I witness something uncomfortable that was race related.

However, in many ways, we should be lucky that our country is vastly dissimilar to the US. In some areas they have real, genuine poverty. They have poverty on a scale that we probably can't imagine. They genuinely have terrible education in places, they have people who from the day they are born literally have no hope. I know we do to, but the scale in the US is different. Our crime rates pale in comparison to theirs, the gangs especially. We think communities in the UK aren't integrated, its on a whole different scale in the US. Maybe its to be expected, it has a government that historically hasn't tried to pull the bottom up. MAybe its the sheer size of the place.

But what is certain is, I don't think any of us can really understand the dynamics of the situation over there. Even those from the states, I'd imagine, are probably not from places like sandtown in Baltimore, east st. Louis in Missouri.

The problem isn't necessarily that these cops are racist . The problem is that there is a very definite line drawn in policing, one not neccessarily along racial lines, but there is a line. Its that, a black guy with baggy trousers in Ellwood Baltimore is definitely a criminal. Its that in North East LA, a latino man walking the streets at night is a gang banger, its that the white redneck in Louisiana is a meth cook.

Maybe its because of the high levels of crime, the cops feel like soldiers. Maybe its because its cops are trained to be aggressive rather than be compassionate, the US still holds that frontier mentality, after all. Maybe its because they are desensitized.

But, regardless of the cause, its just straight up wrong. THe black community in parts of baltimore do have a reason to be angry. They are viewed with suspiciion, governmental intervention has forgotten them, and their education levels, their poverty levels are in some cases extreme.

Until the US sorts the above out, whether its for the black guy, the asian guy, the latino, or even the white guy; areas of the US are forgotten completely, and for the most developed country in the world, its a crying shame

You're entirely right, in your view, in my opinion.

It becomes a 'us against them' situation in poor neighbourhoods where police police have targets to achieve and do so, rightly and wrongly. This underlines the extra targeting for fines I mentioned earlier, but no one had the balls to disagree with. Both of these parties must continue to feel threatened by the other and it becomes a never ending cycle.

People question whether the motives are racial now they see who's involved and I can understand that. But, that's a bit like Fox News claiming there's no racism in America cos there's a Black president in the Big Chair! I think it's a trap to think like that. Black cops tend to beat up Black civvies cos they tend to get ostracised by their own community. If they can do that, then it must be fine for others to join in. Bit like the 'N' word debate if it were a physical presence.

Actually, the film "Colors" highlights this neighbourhood cop issue particularly well, in some scenes, and that's 20 years old! This whole thing becomes blurred lines: oppression, poverty, poor education, racism, prejudice, riots, infighting.

It's all one big mess, imo.

 

[Silva_Spell]

You don't get the cops to treat you better by setting your own community on fire.

If for no other reason, it puts the thought into people's minds (who might well be on your side) that 'If they're doing that to themselves, it's not surprising that they're treated poorly by the cops et al'. If you don't respect your own community why should others?

I could get behind them if they had attacked only government property etc. as their actions would at least match their complaints.

 

[scotty123]

Nobody loses their life if you stick a seat belt on them, taking them to the station, rather than subject them to 'traditional punishment'.

Were you in the back of the van? no you were not so stop stirring shit and let the Baltimore authorities get to the bottom of it, if the officers ...black or white...did anything wrong then throw the book at them, if not let them get on with their jobs at a future date, but no doubt now the American twitterati and busy fuckers will be on their case until they are forced to quit and move elsewhere in the States

Shit stirring??

The announcement by Baltimore City State's Attorney Marilyn Mosby left no doubt about what she thinks happened April 12, when Gray was arrested: The 25-year-old died, she said, after suffering "a severe and critical neck injury" while being transported "handcuffed, shackled by his feet and unrestrained" inside a police van. It is against police policy to transport a prisoner without proper restraints such as a seat belt.

A practice that has been used for 10 years as testimonies come out on a daily basis about the matter and one of the reasons Baltimore cops pay so much money out.

Is Marilyn Mosby the very shouty Woman who appeared on the steps Yesterday, she could hardly contain her glee that police were going to be investigated, most probably at the head of the Twitterati/Facebook/Busy Fuckers mob that will hound the officers for years, hardly neutral is she?

 

[Wio Gumflapdinand]

Marilyn Mosbys husband is councilman for the area of Baltimore the riots were, conflict of interests?...no wonder she's throwing these cops to the lions

 

[Bigga]

Marilyn Mosbys husband is councilman for the area of Baltimore the riots were, conflict of interests?...no wonder she's throwing these cops to the lions

Maybe.

Or maybe precedence has been set prior, in the amount of pay outs for similar, but non fatal, injuries and people have been willing to come forward to testify about the treatment?

And, just maybe, she wouldn't be chasing an un-winnable case, if it wasn't a 'lock'?

 

[buckshot]

The fact is that we hardly have a week go by that a black guy isn't killed by the police. When you factor in that there are no decent jobs or prospects for people in poorer areas you have to expect uprisings when things like this happen.

 

[bluemanc]

The fact is that we hardly have a week go by that a black guy isn't killed by the police. When you factor in that there are no decent jobs or prospects for people in poorer areas you have to expect uprisings when things like this happen.

Interesting stat that,obviously a large amount more white people are killed by Police BUT the white population is larger. Ninety-three per cent of blacks in America are killed by other blacks.where are the uprisings of anger in the City's and towns that this happens.
One last point,the Baltimore riots happened because everyone assumed the 6 cops allegedly responsible were white,a fuckin huge amount of back tracking went on when people found out 3 were black.
The popular opinion in the social media from the bigots latching onto that was that the Police were the Blue Klux Klan,they slid back into their holes once the 3 Black officers role in the death came to light.

 

[tonea2003]

The fact is that we hardly have a week go by that a black guy isn't killed by the police. When you factor in that there are no decent jobs or prospects for people in poorer areas you have to expect uprisings when things like this happen.

Interesting stat that,obviously a large amount more white people are killed by Police BUT the white population is larger. Ninety-three per cent of blacks in America are killed by other blacks.where are the uprisings of anger in the City's and towns that this happens.
One last point,the Baltimore riots happened because everyone assumed the 6 cops allegedly responsible were white,a fuckin huge amount of back tracking went on when people found out 3 were black.
The popular opinion in the social media from the bigots latching onto that was that the Police were the Blue Klux Klan,they slid back into their holes once the 3 Black officers role in the death came to light.

one could argue its happened on this thread too or at least changed tack

 

[roaminblue]

nobody who hasn't been in these deprived communities can totally understand as you put it the dynamics that exist within them.
the socio/econmic issues absolutely need sorting as they would in joberg/rio/kingston/jakarta/beruit etc

but i still don't accept any justification for attacking innocent people and destroying livelyhoods

No, of course not. But what is the justification for any crime?

As with a lot of riots, looting etc, this is simply opportunistic. Individuals develop a pack mentality, a strength in numbers mentality, and take advantage of the lawlessness they see around them.

Is the Baltimore community right for expressing anger at another guy being killed by cops, yes probably. Are riots/lootiong justified? obviously not.

But this is where the deprived community, poorly educated community comes in to play. If they had been less disenfranchised as a community, perhaps this would not have come to pass.

AS a final note, I saw the link posted back there a while ago about demographics of deaths in police custody. Haven't read it completely yet, and now can't seem ti find it. But I will say it is one of many research papers that seem to cut the data in different ways. THey also ommitted a number of states which means the picture across the US isn't being broadly represented. Other papers that I have read have cited black men are more more likely to be the victim of police violence than white men at a ratio of 5/2. Its such political topic that I believe researchers have cut the findings in a number of ways. More needed, I believe.

However, I still believe that this is not a case of a black man being targeted because hes black. He's been targeted because of what those police offices thought he was, and because of aggressive, seige mentality tendencies. That targeting comes about because, as a black man, in that neighborhood, he was automatically a hardened criminal, and as a consequence, dehumanised. That also means that black police officers aren't immune to this phenomenon

 

[Bigga]

nobody who hasn't been in these deprived communities can totally understand as you put it the dynamics that exist within them.
the socio/econmic issues absolutely need sorting as they would in joberg/rio/kingston/jakarta/beruit etc

but i still don't accept any justification for attacking innocent people and destroying livelyhoods

No, of course not. But what is the justification for any crime?

As with a lot of riots, looting etc, this is simply opportunistic. Individuals develop a pack mentality, a strength in numbers mentality, and take advantage of the lawlessness they see around them.

Is the Baltimore community right for expressing anger at another guy being killed by cops, yes probably. Are riots/lootiong justified? obviously not.

But this is where the deprived community, poorly educated community comes in to play. If they had been less disenfranchised as a community, perhaps this would not have come to pass.

AS a final note, I saw the link posted back there a while ago about demographics of deaths in police custody. Haven't read it completely yet, and now can't seem ti find it. But I will say it is one of many research papers that seem to cut the data in different ways. THey also ommitted a number of states which means the picture across the US isn't being broadly represented. Other papers that I have read have cited black men are more more likely to be the victim of police violence than white men at a ratio of 5/2. Its such political topic that I believe researchers have cut the findings in a number of ways. More needed, I believe.

However, I still believe that this is not a case of a black man being targeted because hes black. He's been targeted because of what those police offices thought he was, and because of aggressive, seige mentality tendencies. That targeting comes about because, as a black man, in that neighborhood, he was automatically a hardened criminal, and as a consequence, dehumanised. That also means that black police officers aren't immune to this phenomenon

Whilst I understand what you're attempting to say, all you've done is put forward a "chicken and egg" situation.

If you target a man whose skin colour makes one suspicious of 'hardened criminal' activity, then race and prejudice becomes a factor, even subconsciously.

That makes a Black man, in those neighbourhoods, an automatic suspect regardless of what the truth may be.

 

[Barcon]

I really don't want to get involved in this argument but, I don't think skin colour is the only factor in racial profiling.

Pretty sure the cops would approach these guys in very different ways.

 

[roaminblue]

Whilst I understand what you're attempting to say, all you've done is put forward a "chicken and egg" situation.

If you target a man whose skin colour makes one suspicious of 'hardened criminal' activity, then race and prejudice becomes a factor, even subconsciously.

That makes a Black man, in those neighbourhoods, an automatic suspect regardless of what the truth may be.

Yes, it was a little clumsy.

But effectively your last line is what I'm trying to say. A black guy in certain areas is a target, however not solely because of his skin colour. That plays a part, but also because of other reasons such as it being a high crime area, the cops being from uneducated backgrounds themselves.

 

[roaminblue]

You're entirely right, in your view, in my opinion.

It becomes a 'us against them' situation in poor neighbourhoods where police police have targets to achieve and do so, rightly and wrongly. This underlines the extra targeting for fines I mentioned earlier, but no one had the balls to disagree with. Both of these parties must continue to feel threatened by the other and it becomes a never ending cycle.

People question whether the motives are racial now they see who's involved and I can understand that. But, that's a bit like Fox News claiming there's no racism in America cos there's a Black president in the Big Chair! I think it's a trap to think like that. Black cops tend to beat up Black civvies cos they tend to get ostracised by their own community. If they can do that, then it must be fine for others to join in. Bit like the 'N' word debate if it were a physical presence.

Actually, the film "Colors" highlights this neighbourhood cop issue particularly well, in some scenes, and that's 20 years old! This whole thing becomes blurred lines: oppression, poverty, poor education, racism, prejudice, riots, infighting.

It's all one big mess, imo.

Yes, agreed entirely. And simply because some of the cops were black also, does not mean they may not suffer from the same sort of profiling as white cops.