Barking Up The Wrong Tree

Ducado said:
Santiago Street . said:
CC1 said:
Sorry, not good enough. DID you go to the game, did you even watch it….what makes you think you are qualified to write such tosh

Not saying I'm qualified, it's just my opinion. It wasn't about the Sunderland game per se but yes I was at it.

I qualified my rant by saying Manuel's done a decent job and that 80 odd points is a decent haul.

It's the strategy behind everything that I'm calling into question, the director of football role and the suitability of Txiki to fill such a role

What are your qualifications and experience in order to judge if he is suitable for the role or not? Have you run a major football club before?

I think the barca boys have done a great job so far, I'd much rather have one "off" season where we don't win the league as a sacrifice to achieve a long term ambition of great football throughout the club. This is txiki's first full season as well as manuels, give them a break.
 
What Txiki has to learn is if you need certain players you get them.

Summer: Pepe, Mangala, we had bids for both, ended up with Demichelis with paying a fee for him when he was free agent 4-6 weeks earlier maybe.
Possibly our whole defence would havebeen better with a storng duo in the middle of it. Demichelis needed time and made awful mistakes until finally he has had some good games.

January: our people were in Portugal last day of the window a for Mangala/Fernando, didnt get them and hoped none of Yaya/Fernandinho will get injured or our defence will cope. While then thought Fernando contract down in 6 months, he will come then for free.
Have a feeling if he comes that wont be for free. As he signed some new contract at Porto not sure tho. So actually we can end up again to pay for a free agent.
 
I agree with OP. Since these guys have come in I have only seen the team regress in many areas. Yes everyone is pals, says hello to each other every morning and it's all super nice but fuck it we have lost bottle, steel and hunger we had. Apart from Fernan can you honestly say any of our signings since have improved us one jot.
We are not Barcelona, we should have and create our own identity.
 
OB1 said:
The levels of cluelessness on this forum keep rising.

It's strange that some posters are trying to get at the club from every possible angle. I am surprised that the tea lady has not had a thread blaming her for the other night we have sunk to some new lows today, I mean apparently it was a mistake beating a few teams 6 or 7 and we should have parked the bus at 1-0, and now it's the Barca boys who are getting it
 
Santiago Street . said:
In view of last night's loss people are looking at the squad, the manager, the atmosphere, the injuries etc trying to find just where the problem lies.

Txiki's the problem.

Nothing's wrong now that wasn't wrong in December or January when we were banging goals in for fun and, astonishingly for me, many blues on here who are old enough to know better started hailing this the "best ever City team" in "the best season I've ever had supporting City". We might still win it and that probably would make it our best ever season in terms of trophies but that won't solve the problem.

It started going wrong the day Khaldoon handed control of playing affairs from a proven winner who brought success and could've built a legacy to a Barca yesman whose time at the Nou Camp coincided rather fortunately with that of one Lionel Messi. His only plan was and is to copy Barca lock stock and barrel.

Sceptical fans like me wondered aloud if it could really be that simple. We thought that whilst Barca's academy and youth scouting and development were certainly worthy of copying, perhaps it was too much to base City's game on something that worked in Spain but might not transfer so successfully to the different football culture in England. We suggested that Barca's amazing run of trophies was perhaps due in large part to the incomparable Messi and the once in a generation fortune of having the likes of Xavi, Iniesta et al emerge en bloc rather than the strategic genius of Txiki. He certainly sounds an outstanding candidate to head up the EDS set up at City, we thought, but to effectively undermine the man who'd led us to glory in May 2012 by appointing Txiki as director of football just a few months later seemed folly.

Hopefully it hasn't escaped Khaldoon's notice that, in the one season when Messi has been less than amazing, Barca are nothing special. If he's as shrewd as he first appeared to be he'll be giving very careful consideration to Txiki's position.

Don't blame Pellers when he naively says that we won't change our footballing philosophy for any opponent in any game. He's just reading from Txiki's manifesto. Manuel's made mistakes but he's had a good season overall. I said a few weeks ago that anything in the 80-85 point range would represent a decent first season regardless of final placing and I stand by that even in view of the sickening disappointment of the last few days

Similarly Vinny is merely toeing the party line when he says it's not only important to win now but to win "playing the right way". In his heart of hearts does he not think maybe we'd keep a few more clean sheets and win more games if we went back to winning the "wrong way" without having to naively commit to all out attack regardless of a game's circumstances.

Choppy waters lie ahead, the media will circle like vultures, tempers will flare, fingers will be pointed in blame. I'm pointing mine at Txiki

Nowt gets past you eh fella?? except the fact we drew..
 
Santiago Street . said:
Pretty daft comment that Mod

Didn't know forum members had to have experience of running a premier league club before being allowed to offer their opinion on matters.
You don't, however you do need to have experienced a sense of humour at some time in your life.

Of course if Ducado was being serious just forget the above.

I disagree with the original post BTW, it's total bollocks. I'd explain why but I'm not qualified enough.
 
Santiago Street . said:
In view of last night's loss people are looking at the squad, the manager, the atmosphere, the injuries etc trying to find just where the problem lies.

Txiki's the problem.

Nothing's wrong now that wasn't wrong in December or January when we were banging goals in for fun and, astonishingly for me, many blues on here who are old enough to know better started hailing this the "best ever City team" in "the best season I've ever had supporting City". We might still win it and that probably would make it our best ever season in terms of trophies but that won't solve the problem.

It started going wrong the day Khaldoon handed control of playing affairs from a proven winner who brought success and could've built a legacy to a Barca yesman whose time at the Nou Camp coincided rather fortunately with that of one Lionel Messi. His only plan was and is to copy Barca lock stock and barrel.

Sceptical fans like me wondered aloud if it could really be that simple. We thought that whilst Barca's academy and youth scouting and development were certainly worthy of copying, perhaps it was too much to base City's game on something that worked in Spain but might not transfer so successfully to the different football culture in England. We suggested that Barca's amazing run of trophies was perhaps due in large part to the incomparable Messi and the once in a generation fortune of having the likes of Xavi, Iniesta et al emerge en bloc rather than the strategic genius of Txiki. He certainly sounds an outstanding candidate to head up the EDS set up at City, we thought, but to effectively undermine the man who'd led us to glory in May 2012 by appointing Txiki as director of football just a few months later seemed folly.

Hopefully it hasn't escaped Khaldoon's notice that, in the one season when Messi has been less than amazing, Barca are nothing special. If he's as shrewd as he first appeared to be he'll be giving very careful consideration to Txiki's position.

Don't blame Pellers when he naively says that we won't change our footballing philosophy for any opponent in any game. He's just reading from Txiki's manifesto. Manuel's made mistakes but he's had a good season overall. I said a few weeks ago that anything in the 80-85 point range would represent a decent first season regardless of final placing and I stand by that even in view of the sickening disappointment of the last few days

Similarly Vinny is merely toeing the party line when he says it's not only important to win now but to win "playing the right way". In his heart of hearts does he not think maybe we'd keep a few more clean sheets and win more games if we went back to winning the "wrong way" without having to naively commit to all out attack regardless of a game's circumstances.

Choppy waters lie ahead, the media will circle like vultures, tempers will flare, fingers will be pointed in blame. I'm pointing mine at Txiki

Overall I've got to say i agree with you especially the parts in bold.

The Spanish duo really really worry me. I've just got this terrible feeling they're going to fuck things up big time similar to how Swales fucked us over in the past.
 
Santiago Street . said:
In view of last night's loss people are looking at the squad, the manager, the atmosphere, the injuries etc trying to find just where the problem lies.

Txiki's the problem.

Nothing's wrong now that wasn't wrong in December or January when we were banging goals in for fun and, astonishingly for me, many blues on here who are old enough to know better started hailing this the "best ever City team" in "the best season I've ever had supporting City". We might still win it and that probably would make it our best ever season in terms of trophies but that won't solve the problem.

It started going wrong the day Khaldoon handed control of playing affairs from a proven winner who brought success and could've built a legacy to a Barca yesman whose time at the Nou Camp coincided rather fortunately with that of one Lionel Messi. His only plan was and is to copy Barca lock stock and barrel.

Sceptical fans like me wondered aloud if it could really be that simple. We thought that whilst Barca's academy and youth scouting and development were certainly worthy of copying, perhaps it was too much to base City's game on something that worked in Spain but might not transfer so successfully to the different football culture in England. We suggested that Barca's amazing run of trophies was perhaps due in large part to the incomparable Messi and the once in a generation fortune of having the likes of Xavi, Iniesta et al emerge en bloc rather than the strategic genius of Txiki. He certainly sounds an outstanding candidate to head up the EDS set up at City, we thought, but to effectively undermine the man who'd led us to glory in May 2012 by appointing Txiki as director of football just a few months later seemed folly.

Hopefully it hasn't escaped Khaldoon's notice that, in the one season when Messi has been less than amazing, Barca are nothing special. If he's as shrewd as he first appeared to be he'll be giving very careful consideration to Txiki's position.

Don't blame Pellers when he naively says that we won't change our footballing philosophy for any opponent in any game. He's just reading from Txiki's manifesto. Manuel's made mistakes but he's had a good season overall. I said a few weeks ago that anything in the 80-85 point range would represent a decent first season regardless of final placing and I stand by that even in view of the sickening disappointment of the last few days

Similarly Vinny is merely toeing the party line when he says it's not only important to win now but to win "playing the right way". In his heart of hearts does he not think maybe we'd keep a few more clean sheets and win more games if we went back to winning the "wrong way" without having to naively commit to all out attack regardless of a game's circumstances.

Choppy waters lie ahead, the media will circle like vultures, tempers will flare, fingers will be pointed in blame. I'm pointing mine at Txiki

You're over thinking this, mate.
 

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