johnmc
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matt99is said:
Does the same not apply to De Jong then or is he not a midfielder. If anything Hargreaves would take De Jongs place.
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Does the same not apply to De Jong then or is he not a midfielder. If anything Hargreaves would take De Jongs place.
goat boy
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I'm a big fan, so i'll stick up for him (again). He should perhaps change his name to 'Gazbazinho', he'd get far less stick on here. He's a boring player, and seems a profoundly quiet and sensible type of chap, the polar opposite of mario. Like a sturdy pair of clarkes brown brogues. Theres no excitement in that, but it makes him really, really good at his job. And, as mentioned, he seems to have brought out his dancing shoes this season. Leave off.
^Agreedjohnmc said:NDJ is now far too one dimensional for our first 11. At spurs we saw the midfield 4 all passing, shooting, making runs, interchanging positions etc etc. Barry gets an assist, Yaya gets an assist, Nasri gets two assists, Silva could have scored 2.
All of them at one time were the most and advanced midfielder and all off them at one point were the most defensive. All of them had shots on goal. All put in a shift in their own half. If you keep the ball when you have it and close down when you dont a destroyer isn't necessary. No great team plays with one, and that includes barca for whom Mascerano is very versatile.
We can retain the ball better and have players who can be a defensive midfielder, a box to box midfielder, an attacking midfielder and a general all rounder in the same game. De Jong can't do that.
The problem with De Jong is that before he came to us he was more like Barry, he could defend and then he would go forward during attacks, he dosnt do that anymore. Simply because De Jong dosnt contribute when we have the ball, I'd pick Barry over him.
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bluetoo said:Shaelumstash said:Firstly, I genuinely think Sunday against Spurs is the best performance I have ever seen from a City team.
Quite justifiably, the fluidity of the 3 creative players and the movement and finishing of Dzeko are getting all the headlines.
However, I have watched the game back again today and Gareth Barry was absolutely incredible. He must surely be the most underrated player in the league.
If Xavi Alonso or Mascerano, or even Tom Cleverley had played like that, the media would be purring.
He is such an intelligent player in that position. He reads the game so well, and he uses the ball quickly and decisively. His decision making is absolutely outstanding. He is never going to get the headlines, and he is not the quickest player, but on Sunday he proved the old cliche that the first 5 yards are in your head.
yeah...bullshit
Good point, well argued
First of all I would like to say hi to everyone, I am not new here, but because of my poor english I hadn't decided to post yet, but reading few hours a day, kind a addiction. I am from Poland (exactly from Poznań ;) ) and I am supporting City for few years now as my family lives in Manchester and I got long time ago Anelka's shirt from uncle
Anyway, refering to the topic, I think Gareth Barry is one of the most valuable puzzles in Bobby's jigsaw. As for holding mids we have 3 different players, and any of them has something to offer, and it's Bobby's headache to choose perfect combination:
1. De Jong is one of the most mobile DMs I ever saw, everytime I watch game, and I think "there should come tackle" out of nowhere comes De Jong and makes it. Altough his short passing is really good, and he is calm on danger situations, but he has almost no long range pass ability. He is good in games when we will be put under pressure and then he is world's best. He becomes tank and cleans everything in front of box
2. Barry is more kind of deep-lying playmaker kind of DM. Lacks pace, doesn't put as many tackles, but the way he set-up goals is amazing, like in this pre season when he set goals just from the middle of the park. He covers quite a lot of ground, but his main ability is his short and long range passing. He offers good shots from distance so also can be relied on when you need goals. Whem we dominate the game Barry is one of the most reliable players, creating, scoring, and marking; when we are under pressure I am sometimes in nerves, and prefers De Jong then.
3. Yaya for me is similar to Barry with the difference, that he covers more ground, but also sometimes lacks slide tacke. Has better short pass than Barry, but also weaker long one. Good finisher, way better than Barry, but what is remarkable he has no distance shots in him, or this are poor. What is special about him that are his runs, which are problem for every defence, and set up goals perfectly.
I wouldn't say Barry is world beater because it isn't true, but is decent DM and would be crucial to our succes this year, with our current system which is more 4-2-3-1 because of our attack power, Mancini will have to choose only 2 of our DMs, and adding Milner to this mix who isn't DM but can play as one offering speed and work-rate, and now Owen Hergraves, he will have players to choose from. For lesser teams I would stick with Barry-Yaya midfield, which while quite good defending can offer us real creativity from back. Better teams, if Bobby deicides to put 3 man's midfield I will use 3 of them leaing Milner on the bench, but if we will go with 4-2-3-1, I would stick with De Jong and Yaya because of De Jong's mobility and Yaya's speed and ground covering, and also Yaya is more reliable with his performances, while Barry is sometimes make mistakes when pressed.
Sorry for my english I hope it is quite understendable, that are my thoughs about Barry and our other DMs, you can argue with this if you want, it's not based on few games or so, but based also on whole last sesson which I saw every game from.
Dirak
Anyway, refering to the topic, I think Gareth Barry is one of the most valuable puzzles in Bobby's jigsaw. As for holding mids we have 3 different players, and any of them has something to offer, and it's Bobby's headache to choose perfect combination:
1. De Jong is one of the most mobile DMs I ever saw, everytime I watch game, and I think "there should come tackle" out of nowhere comes De Jong and makes it. Altough his short passing is really good, and he is calm on danger situations, but he has almost no long range pass ability. He is good in games when we will be put under pressure and then he is world's best. He becomes tank and cleans everything in front of box
2. Barry is more kind of deep-lying playmaker kind of DM. Lacks pace, doesn't put as many tackles, but the way he set-up goals is amazing, like in this pre season when he set goals just from the middle of the park. He covers quite a lot of ground, but his main ability is his short and long range passing. He offers good shots from distance so also can be relied on when you need goals. Whem we dominate the game Barry is one of the most reliable players, creating, scoring, and marking; when we are under pressure I am sometimes in nerves, and prefers De Jong then.
3. Yaya for me is similar to Barry with the difference, that he covers more ground, but also sometimes lacks slide tacke. Has better short pass than Barry, but also weaker long one. Good finisher, way better than Barry, but what is remarkable he has no distance shots in him, or this are poor. What is special about him that are his runs, which are problem for every defence, and set up goals perfectly.
I wouldn't say Barry is world beater because it isn't true, but is decent DM and would be crucial to our succes this year, with our current system which is more 4-2-3-1 because of our attack power, Mancini will have to choose only 2 of our DMs, and adding Milner to this mix who isn't DM but can play as one offering speed and work-rate, and now Owen Hergraves, he will have players to choose from. For lesser teams I would stick with Barry-Yaya midfield, which while quite good defending can offer us real creativity from back. Better teams, if Bobby deicides to put 3 man's midfield I will use 3 of them leaing Milner on the bench, but if we will go with 4-2-3-1, I would stick with De Jong and Yaya because of De Jong's mobility and Yaya's speed and ground covering, and also Yaya is more reliable with his performances, while Barry is sometimes make mistakes when pressed.
Sorry for my english I hope it is quite understendable, that are my thoughs about Barry and our other DMs, you can argue with this if you want, it's not based on few games or so, but based also on whole last sesson which I saw every game from.
Dirak
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Barry is, and always has been, a high quality midfielder, both offensively and defensively. However, the person we saw shoot to the top at Villa has been played in a different role at City, which has kept him fairly restrained in his forward movement, mainly due to Mancini's willingness to allow Yaya to play further forward and not always track back.
NDJ is a completely different player than Barry. He rarely gets forwards, drops back into the DM-CH position when we move forward along the flanks with the full backs, whereas in an NDJ team, Barry is the covering LM.
Like Milner, just because he has been playing in a slightly different system that we may have been used to seeing him play elsewhere, it is ridiculous the crap he has taken. He has been IMMENSE for City, USUALLY playing out of position and sacrificing his own desires to be part of a larger, better team than he has ever played in before.
I have said on here before, Milner and Barry do the donkey work that ALLOWS Silva, Aguero, Yaya, A.J. and Balotelli to have the freedom they have when they do play. They are both ESSENTIAL players to a squad like this and will be integral to any success we have this year.
NDJ is a completely different player than Barry. He rarely gets forwards, drops back into the DM-CH position when we move forward along the flanks with the full backs, whereas in an NDJ team, Barry is the covering LM.
Like Milner, just because he has been playing in a slightly different system that we may have been used to seeing him play elsewhere, it is ridiculous the crap he has taken. He has been IMMENSE for City, USUALLY playing out of position and sacrificing his own desires to be part of a larger, better team than he has ever played in before.
I have said on here before, Milner and Barry do the donkey work that ALLOWS Silva, Aguero, Yaya, A.J. and Balotelli to have the freedom they have when they do play. They are both ESSENTIAL players to a squad like this and will be integral to any success we have this year.
Love watching Barry play-and as others have said, the main reason we lost at Wembley when his replacement Milner was all at sea.
Barry is easily one of the best midfielders to have worn the shirt in my life time. His passing, cover play and intelligence are a joy to watch. Its not Barry or DeJong, they are a must together-typified by the semi and the home game against Chelsea last season.
Its no coincidence that so many top managers and coaches rate him so highly.
Barry is easily one of the best midfielders to have worn the shirt in my life time. His passing, cover play and intelligence are a joy to watch. Its not Barry or DeJong, they are a must together-typified by the semi and the home game against Chelsea last season.
Its no coincidence that so many top managers and coaches rate him so highly.
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matt99is said:Gareth Barry truly is poor, you can keep saying "he's the first name on the team-sheet" and "he puts in a good shift". Trying hard and being a model professional doesn't make him a good player. The fact is he isn't good enough and I can't wait until we see the back of him.
The only reason he played against spurs was because of De Jongs injury, and the moment he is back Barry will be benched.
It really bemuses me why so many people on this forum love him so much.
PS I'm actually starting to think you are all winding me up!!
Watch the video above of Barry's performance at Spurs and then tell me he is "truly a poor player".
Notice how quickly he moves the ball and finds a City shirt. He knows where he's going to give the ball before he's received it. He's an extremely intelligent player in that position. You don't have to be as skilful as Nasri or Silva to be a talented player.
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Dirak said:First of all I would like to say hi to everyone, I am not new here, but because of my poor english I hadn't decided to post yet, but reading few hours a day, kind a addiction. I am from Poland (exactly from Poznań ;) ) and I am supporting City for few years now as my family lives in Manchester and I got long time ago Anelka's shirt from uncle
Anyway, refering to the topic, I think Gareth Barry is one of the most valuable puzzles in Bobby's jigsaw. As for holding mids we have 3 different players, and any of them has something to offer, and it's Bobby's headache to choose perfect combination:
1. De Jong is one of the most mobile DMs I ever saw, everytime I watch game, and I think "there should come tackle" out of nowhere comes De Jong and makes it. Altough his short passing is really good, and he is calm on danger situations, but he has almost no long range pass ability. He is good in games when we will be put under pressure and then he is world's best. He becomes tank and cleans everything in front of box
2. Barry is more kind of deep-lying playmaker kind of DM. Lacks pace, doesn't put as many tackles, but the way he set-up goals is amazing, like in this pre season when he set goals just from the middle of the park. He covers quite a lot of ground, but his main ability is his short and long range passing. He offers good shots from distance so also can be relied on when you need goals. Whem we dominate the game Barry is one of the most reliable players, creating, scoring, and marking; when we are under pressure I am sometimes in nerves, and prefers De Jong then.
3. Yaya for me is similar to Barry with the difference, that he covers more ground, but also sometimes lacks slide tacke. Has better short pass than Barry, but also weaker long one. Good finisher, way better than Barry, but what is remarkable he has no distance shots in him, or this are poor. What is special about him that are his runs, which are problem for every defence, and set up goals perfectly.
I wouldn't say Barry is world beater because it isn't true, but is decent DM and would be crucial to our succes this year, with our current system which is more 4-2-3-1 because of our attack power, Mancini will have to choose only 2 of our DMs, and adding Milner to this mix who isn't DM but can play as one offering speed and work-rate, and now Owen Hergraves, he will have players to choose from. For lesser teams I would stick with Barry-Yaya midfield, which while quite good defending can offer us real creativity from back. Better teams, if Bobby deicides to put 3 man's midfield I will use 3 of them leaing Milner on the bench, but if we will go with 4-2-3-1, I would stick with De Jong and Yaya because of De Jong's mobility and Yaya's speed and ground covering, and also Yaya is more reliable with his performances, while Barry is sometimes make mistakes when pressed.
Sorry for my english I hope it is quite understendable, that are my thoughs about Barry and our other DMs, you can argue with this if you want, it's not based on few games or so, but based also on whole last sesson which I saw every game from.
Dirak
Absolutely spot on Dirak, and your English is very good! Please post more if you are going to make this much sense!