BBC licence fee

hilts said:
I don't watch or listen to any of those and American TV series piss all over BBC ones currently.

The future is very much piracy and people sharing devices and network suppliers.
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No, I can't say I watch Countryfile either, but the point is I don't mind putting a couple of quid in so those voices are represented, and while I don't watch CBBC now I did when I was growing up. We get the best American TV, a lot of it on the BBC, but 90% of it is disposable shite.
 
hilts said:
The future is very much piracy and people sharing devices and network suppliers.
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If it is expect a future of shit lowest common denominator programmes ,because it will be impoosible to make the money to produce good quality programmes that appeal to smaller audiences.
 
Brightwell Bros. said:
No, I can't say I watch Countryfile either, but the point is I don't mind putting a couple of quid in so those voices are represented, and while I don't watch CBBC now I did when I was growing up. We get the best American TV, a lot of it on the BBC, but 90% of it is disposable shite.
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Most of it is on netflix and amazon tbf. Whatever way you frame it you are asking people to cough up for something they might not want. If I like netflix should you pay part of my subscription.

We can't put a lid back on all this. I'm honestly unsure what I would do if I had the say. The BBC are expanding into commercialisation themselves. What's all this Britbox bollocks about?
 
blueparrot said:
If it is expect a future of shit lowest common denominator programmes ,because it will be impoosible to make the money to produce good quality programmes that appeal to smaller audiences.
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Amazon bt and netflix must know it happens. Remember they have subscribers all over the world. 2 families sharing is probably worked into the price I'm guessing.
 
hilts said:
My Grandson has just got into spiderman but sky don't have them on now as marvel went to Disney. All on Disney plus I guess. Its never ending.

BBC
Sky
Bt
Netflix
Amazon
Disney
Apple

You could argue we pay for itv channel 4 and 5(who the fuck watches channel 5?) Through advertising costs on products.

Apart from city I'm not arsed about other football and sky have fuck all decent premiers because everyone else is making or buying films.

There is choice but it's spread around too much.
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choice is the oxygen of capitalism - it offers more opportunity to rake in more and more cash. Capitalists will argue that the alternative is 70's Russia and East Germany with empty shelves and little fresh produce or choice.

Ironically those same market promoters are behind Brexit which is starting to really badly affect cross border trade
 
hilts said:
Most of it is on netflix and amazon tbf. Whatever way you frame it you are asking people to cough up for something they might not want. If I like netflix should you pay part of my subscription.

We can't put a lid back on all this. I'm honestly unsure what I would do if I had the say. The BBC are expanding into commercialisation themselves. What's all this Britbox bollocks about?
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Something the British public already financed through the licence fee, they want us to pay for to access again; seems legit. At least it pays for new stuff as well like a vastly inferior, mediocre Spitting Image reboot.
 
Octavian said:
It’d bring cost down tho if they both were allowed to show the same game.

The ideal for football fans is access to several channels broadcasting the same match.

That’ll impact the amount clubs earn tho so won’t happen.
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Nobody is keen on that idea.

The reason football generates so much cash in TV rights is they are sold in packages which offer exclusivity - if SKY are offered the same games that can be seen simultaneously on BBC. ITV and Quest - the price would drop and football doesn't want that either.
 
bluethrunthru said:
Nobody is keen on that idea.

The reason football generates so much cash in TV rights is they are sold in packages which offer exclusivity - if SKY are offered the same games that can be seen simultaneously on BBC. ITV and Quest - the price would drop and football doesn't want that either.
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I don’t disagree, it’d be good for the armchair fan but not the clubs or football generally so it won’t happen.
 
hilts said:
Amazon bt and netflix must know it happens. Remember they have subscribers all over the world. 2 families sharing is probably worked into the price I'm guessing.
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I'd guess so,the sharing I can see and they can limit devices on one account as they allow about 4 that will be priced in, the pirating is very different.
 
hilts said:
Most of it is on netflix and amazon tbf. Whatever way you frame it you are asking people to cough up for something they might not want. If I like netflix should you pay part of my subscription.

We can't put a lid back on all this. I'm honestly unsure what I would do if I had the say. The BBC are expanding into commercialisation themselves. What's all this Britbox bollocks about?
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I just see it like I see roads or schools or basketball courts in my local park as a non-driver, without kids who doesn't play basketball. I appreciate that we live in a society that increasingly sees everything in highly personal and individual terms, though. I just think good television and radio, accessible to almost everyone, that likewise supports UK creative and cultural industries is ultimately a public service, whether I maximize I use of it or not.

BBC has always had a commercial side - if you ever bought VHS of shows or watched UK Gold then you were spending money on something already paid for. Similarly when TV shows are sold aboard via Worldwide. That money is always folded back into the corporation. If they didn't do that then they would get a kicking from the Tories for not maximizing license payer fees. They really have had 50 years now of being damned if they do and damned if they don't.
 
Mëtal Bikër said:
Something the British public already financed through the licence fee, they want us to pay for to access again; seems legit. At least it pays for new stuff as well like a vastly inferior, mediocre Spitting Image reboot.
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If you pay to watch a film or theatre performance once you usually only get to see it once. If you want to watch BBC things again or after they have aired and expired from Iplayer you could always record it at the time of transmission.

You don't have the luxury of taking a camcorder into the National or the BFI.

A lot of the stuff on Britbox is stuff previously on other streaming apps or that weren't picked up because there wasn't the market for it on anything other than Bbox's niche.

Most of the new stuff on Britbox is made by ITV's studios. Between 2014-18 they produced exclusive content in a joint venture with Sky for ITV encore.

So in some sense the exclusive content isn't anything new, they have just changed platforms and found a new partner.

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ITV Encore - Wikipedia

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Brightwell Bros. said:
I just see it like I see roads or schools or basketball courts in my local park as a non-driver, without kids who doesn't play basketball. I appreciate that we live in a society that increasingly sees everything in highly personal and individual terms, though. I just think good television and radio, accessible to almost everyone, that likewise supports UK creative and cultural industries is ultimately a public service, whether I maximize I use of it or not.

BBC has always had a commercial side - if you ever bought VHS of shows or watched UK Gold then you were spending money on something already paid for. Similarly when TV shows are sold aboard via Worldwide. That money is always folded back into the corporation. If they didn't do that then they would get a kicking from the Tories for not maximizing license payer fees. They really have had 50 years now of being damned if they do and damned if they don't.
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I agree with a lot of this which is why I'm torn I can't see a need though to pay Alan shearer shit loads for inane 'expert advice' eastenders on 3 times a week or a fat politician dancing. I think the expanse of the corporation has made quality suffer. I think there is a lot padding out to justify its size and payroll.
 
hilts said:
I agree with a lot of this which is why I'm torn I can't see a need though to pay Alan shearer shit loads for inane 'expert advice' eastenders on 3 times a week or a fat politician dancing. I think the expanse of the corporation has made quality suffer. I think there is a lot padding out to justify its size and payroll.
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I suppose the issue the BBC faces is that, judging from this thread, everyone says "well I only watch X, Y and Z, why should I pay for A, B and C", but the everybody's X, Y and Z are apparently different. The basics of media political economy is that stuff gets bundled and you don't watch everything available. But in terms of Strictly etc, entertainment has always been part of its Reithian values and if it didn't do prime time entertainment then they'd get a battering for putting out content no one wants.

Like I say, I don't necessarily think the license fee is the only way of delivering good, public service broadcasting. If you swapped a license fee for a broadband tax and guaranteed ten years of matched or more funding for the institution I'd be happy enough. I just don't trust the current wing of the Tory party, their very clear ideological opposition to public service as an underlying philosophy. and Nadine bloody Dorries, of all people, to be the group that bring in change that doesn't do quite a lot of harm to both the diversity of content, the universality of network coverage, and the creative and cultural industries in the UK.
 
There has been some discussion of a hybrid model. A core, public sector broadcaster is too useful to ditch altogether. The news, documentaries, education and children’s programming are things which the beeb does well. The drama and light entertainment can be done by anybody and we already have a plethora of choice as many here have pointed out. For me then, a core service supported from tax and a separate entity for entertainment supported by subscription.
 
Brightwell Bros. said:
I just see it like I see roads or schools or basketball courts in my local park as a non-driver, without kids who doesn't play basketball. I appreciate that we live in a society that increasingly sees everything in highly personal and individual terms, though. I just think good television and radio, accessible to almost everyone, that likewise supports UK creative and cultural industries is ultimately a public service, whether I maximize I use of it or not.

BBC has always had a commercial side - if you ever bought VHS of shows or watched UK Gold then you were spending money on something already paid for. Similarly when TV shows are sold aboard via Worldwide. That money is always folded back into the corporation. If they didn't do that then they would get a kicking from the Tories for not maximizing license payer fees. They really have had 50 years now of being damned if they do and damned if they don't.
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The BBC has been exposed, that's what's really happening. It isn't about some major problem with the idea of what the BBC is, far from it. I don't know anyone who wouldn't pay for quality content but that's not what you get really.

An old dear who listens to the radio and watches BBC news everyday should not be paying £160 a year for that privilege. The parents of a kid watching an educational programme should not be paying £160 per year else they get a visit from bailiffs.

Let's put it another way, the BBC employs 22,000 people and Netflix employs 12,000 people yet who is putting out better content and who is cheaper?

Basically, the BBC cannot compete, it has always been a bloated and costly organisation which exists that way because it can always rely on public money. It has too many people on too much money, it has an office complex in central London and Salford Quays that would rival the richest companies in the world yet the reality is it would barely register on the UK Top 100 list if it was a private company.

Had it not been for it's public funding model then let's face it, it would be bankrupt. The result of that can't be that we all must suck it up and pay whatever it takes to keep it going. We especially shouldn't be doing that if only to ensure that Gary Lineker continues to be paid 10x more than a FTSE100 CEO for a few hours work per week.....
 
inbetween said:
The BBC has been exposed, that's what's really happening. It isn't about some major problem with the idea of what the BBC is, far from it. I don't know anyone who wouldn't pay for quality content but that's not what you get really.

An old dear who listens to the radio and watches BBC news everyday should not be paying £160 a year for that privilege. The parents of a kid watching an educational programme should not be paying £160 per year else they get a visit from bailiffs.

Let's put it another way, the BBC employs 22,000 people and Netflix employs 12,000 people yet who is putting out better content and who is cheaper?

Basically, the BBC cannot compete, it has always been a bloated and costly organisation which exists that way because it can always rely on public money. It has too many people on too much money, it has an office complex in central London and Salford Quays that would rival the richest companies in the world yet the reality is it would barely register on the UK Top 100 list if it was a private company.

Had it not been for it's public funding model then let's face it, it would be bankrupt. The result of that can't be that we all must suck it up and pay whatever it takes to keep it going. We especially shouldn't be doing that if only to ensure that Gary Lineker continues to be paid 10x more than a FTSE100 CEO for a few hours work per week.....
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Netflix and the BBC are apples and oranges, really. One is a public service broadcaster with a very specific remit and charter doing local, national and global radio and television across dozens of channels and the other is a subbed global streaming service that doesn't make nearly as much content as appears on the surface.

How much should the old dear (though presumably not that old otherwise she'd be getting it for free) who listens to the radio and watches BBC News everyday pay? Or a young family who watches CBeebies (presumably along other things as well)?

I'd also question whether Netflix really is putting out as much quality as you claim. When was the last original show that they made that you watched and thought was excellent? The Queen's Gambit? They buy up lots of quality stuff, the BBC's stuff included, but I don't think there reputation is nearly as warranted.

The BBC also plays a role in developing British talent, working with smaller British production companies, that benefit the wider ecosystem.

I don't think the organization is perfect, but I think sacking it off because Gary Lineker is paid a competitive salary would do so much damage to the rest of the creative and cultural sector and the diversity of content available to us. I'm willing to see what Nadine has got to offer us, but, as with much of the Johnson government, this is very short on policy detail.
 
Brightwell Bros. said:
Netflix and the BBC are apples and oranges, really. One is a public service broadcaster with a very specific remit and charter doing local, national and global radio and television across dozens of channels and the other is a subbed global streaming service that doesn't make nearly as much content as appears on the surface.

How much should the old dear (though presumably not that old otherwise she'd be getting it for free) who listens to the radio and watches BBC News everyday pay? Or a young family who watches CBeebies (presumably along other things as well)?

I'd also question whether Netflix really is putting out as much quality as you claim. When was the last original show that they made that you watched and thought was excellent? The Queen's Gambit? They buy up lots of quality stuff, the BBC's stuff included, but I don't think there reputation is nearly as warranted.

The BBC also plays a role in developing British talent, working with smaller British production companies, that benefit the wider ecosystem.

I don't think the organization is perfect, but I think sacking it off because Gary Lineker is paid a competitive salary would do so much damage to the rest of the creative and cultural sector and the diversity of content available to us. I'm willing to see what Nadine has got to offer us, but, as with much of the Johnson government, this is very short on policy detail.
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Netflix paid Adam Sandler $240million for 4 shit films. If that is something to go by then Lineker is underpaid.
 
inbetween said:
The BBC has been exposed, that's what's really happening. It isn't about some major problem with the idea of what the BBC is, far from it. I don't know anyone who wouldn't pay for quality content but that's not what you get really.

An old dear who listens to the radio and watches BBC news everyday should not be paying £160 a year for that privilege. The parents of a kid watching an educational programme should not be paying £160 per year else they get a visit from bailiffs.

Let's put it another way, the BBC employs 22,000 people and Netflix employs 12,000 people yet who is putting out better content and who is cheaper?

Basically, the BBC cannot compete, it has always been a bloated and costly organisation which exists that way because it can always rely on public money. It has too many people on too much money, it has an office complex in central London and Salford Quays that would rival the richest companies in the world yet the reality is it would barely register on the UK Top 100 list if it was a private company.

Had it not been for it's public funding model then let's face it, it would be bankrupt. The result of that can't be that we all must suck it up and pay whatever it takes to keep it going. We especially shouldn't be doing that if only to ensure that Gary Lineker continues to be paid 10x more than a FTSE100 CEO for a few hours work per week.....
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There’s way more wide ranging services with the BBC than Netflix.
Radio - I’d go BBC
Shows for my kid - BBC
Live sport - BBC
Live entertainment- BBC

List goes on.

Netflix maybe few more boxsets and films I guess
 
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