OxBlue said:flb said:johnny crossan said:I like to think I'm bright enough to be adaptable
I dont think there's a cat in hells chance our CEO will go for Mourinho in the event Bob gets peddled- they very publicly turned him down for the Barca job before they gave it Pep.
In Peps biography it talks about the boardroom decision to make him manager over Jose. Sorrano (?) was one of the key board members pushing for Jose over Pep, but was overruled by the others.
"I can confirm that we initially preferred Mourinho over Pep. Mourinho is a great coach who has enjoyed plenty of success. He had worked for Barcelona before, so he knew how we play. However, you just have to look at the way Inter and Real Madrid play to see that he has a different philosophy. That's why eventually we decided not to hire him."
“There was one moment when I said to him, ‘José, the problem we have with you is that you push the media too much. There is too much aggression. The coach is the image of the club. Three times a week, talking to the media for an hour, talking for the club, you cannot start fires everywhere, because this is against our style’.
“He said, ‘I know, but that is my style and I will not change’.
“There was one moment when I said to him, ‘José, the problem we have with you is that you push the media too much. There is too much aggression. The coach is the image of the club.
“He told me, ‘Look at van Gaal. In his first era he was mean at Barca and he was a success. The second time he became like a ‘mother’, he changed his style and he failed’.
“The summary of my visit to José Mourinho is that he can be pleasant, he can be a charming guy, very simpatico. I had fun with him and then Txiki came a bit later for us to listen to the football ideas. Mourinho was renowned to be No.1 and he was first class at pitching himself – but he wouldn’t listen.”
That was the key. To Ingla and Begiristain, it appeared Mourinho believed that because Barça had gone awry, the directors didn’t know the correct way forward – only he did. The Portuguese didn’t hear the warning signs when told of the board’s insistence that he renounce his love of polemic. To him, it was apparently unclear which party was sitting in the power seat.
moomba said:This is a bit more on the Barca situation. This is Marc Ingla talking who was on the panel with Txiki and Sorriano.
“There was one moment when I said to him, ‘José, the problem we have with you is that you push the media too much. There is too much aggression. The coach is the image of the club. Three times a week, talking to the media for an hour, talking for the club, you cannot start fires everywhere, because this is against our style’.
“He said, ‘I know, but that is my style and I will not change’.
“There was one moment when I said to him, ‘José, the problem we have with you is that you push the media too much. There is too much aggression. The coach is the image of the club.
“He told me, ‘Look at van Gaal. In his first era he was mean at Barca and he was a success. The second time he became like a ‘mother’, he changed his style and he failed’.
“The summary of my visit to José Mourinho is that he can be pleasant, he can be a charming guy, very simpatico. I had fun with him and then Txiki came a bit later for us to listen to the football ideas. Mourinho was renowned to be No.1 and he was first class at pitching himself – but he wouldn’t listen.”
That was the key. To Ingla and Begiristain, it appeared Mourinho believed that because Barça had gone awry, the directors didn’t know the correct way forward – only he did. The Portuguese didn’t hear the warning signs when told of the board’s insistence that he renounce his love of polemic. To him, it was apparently unclear which party was sitting in the power seat.
BillyShears said:moomba said:This is a bit more on the Barca situation. This is Marc Ingla talking who was on the panel with Txiki and Sorriano.
“There was one moment when I said to him, ‘José, the problem we have with you is that you push the media too much. There is too much aggression. The coach is the image of the club. Three times a week, talking to the media for an hour, talking for the club, you cannot start fires everywhere, because this is against our style’.
“He said, ‘I know, but that is my style and I will not change’.
“There was one moment when I said to him, ‘José, the problem we have with you is that you push the media too much. There is too much aggression. The coach is the image of the club.
“He told me, ‘Look at van Gaal. In his first era he was mean at Barca and he was a success. The second time he became like a ‘mother’, he changed his style and he failed’.
“The summary of my visit to José Mourinho is that he can be pleasant, he can be a charming guy, very simpatico. I had fun with him and then Txiki came a bit later for us to listen to the football ideas. Mourinho was renowned to be No.1 and he was first class at pitching himself – but he wouldn’t listen.”
That was the key. To Ingla and Begiristain, it appeared Mourinho believed that because Barça had gone awry, the directors didn’t know the correct way forward – only he did. The Portuguese didn’t hear the warning signs when told of the board’s insistence that he renounce his love of polemic. To him, it was apparently unclear which party was sitting in the power seat.
The culture of footballing press in Spain (and in Italy for that matter) is very very different from the UK. In effect both Barca and Madrid have daily newspapers dedicated to them. Press conferences are much more gladiatorial affairs with the coach being required to answer very detailed questions on tactical decisions, substitutions etc. Post match conferences can last well into the night and are broadcast live on radio. The scrutiny is just far more intense and against that backdrop, I can understand why Pep would be a much more interesting candidate for Barca at the time.
On the question of football/style/tactics .... funny that two executives would think Mourinho is going to listen to their views on how to play the game. Jose's success comes from knowing how he wants to play the game and what he wants from his players. Just as Valdano got short shrift at Madrid, it's no surprise that Mourinho considered himself to be the power in the room during discussions about football.
Didsbury Dave said:OxBlue said:flb said:I dont think there's a cat in hells chance our CEO will go for Mourinho in the event Bob gets peddled- they very publicly turned him down for the Barca job before they gave it Pep.
In Peps biography it talks about the boardroom decision to make him manager over Jose. Sorrano (?) was one of the key board members pushing for Jose over Pep, but was overruled by the others.
This is why I retain hope that Mourinho is a possibility. I believe the decision was mainly about Mourinho's fit for Barca's culture, which is of course very different to ours.
BillyShears said:On the question of football/style/tactics .... funny that two executives would think Mourinho is going to listen to their views on how to play the game. Jose's success comes from knowing how he wants to play the game and what he wants from his players. Just as Valdano got short shrift at Madrid, it's no surprise that Mourinho considered himself to be the power in the room during discussions about football.
flb said:Thing is Dave it looks like our long term aim is to mirror the Barca model, if Pep comes expect a raft of other former / present Barca staff to follow.This whole "project" is about becoming self sufficient with an academy producing the next Iniestas, Xavi's, Busquets.Mourinho has carved a career as a cheque book manager, or taking over an existing club with a very good squad (Inter,Madrid) and using his much fabled man management skills to take them to the next step.Our next step is to become like Barcelona so i dont see what longterm stratedgy Mourinho would bring to City.
Its got Pep writ all over it to become the next City manager, its an opportunity City surely cant let them pass them by.
moomba said:BillyShears said:On the question of football/style/tactics .... funny that two executives would think Mourinho is going to listen to their views on how to play the game. Jose's success comes from knowing how he wants to play the game and what he wants from his players. Just as Valdano got short shrift at Madrid, it's no surprise that Mourinho considered himself to be the power in the room during discussions about football.
I would have thought at a club like Barcelona you look for a coach who will fit in with the existing ethos of the club, so I would have been surprised if he wasn't pressed on that. I'd be surprised also if the same people don't question our next manager (when it happens and whoever it might be) on the type of football he will be playing if given the job.
GaudinoMotors said:Nice game of manager top trumps Billy
You'd almost think we didn't already have an excellent and successful manager.
You do know Barce finished 3rd the season before Pep took over?charliebigspuds said:I'm still unsure on how good Pep is, he's got a great record at one club and its a club that is guaranteed to finish in the top 2, with the players he had at his disposal he'd have to be an absolute loser to not do well with them. I don't want RM to be replaced but I can't help but think some of the adverse publicity he's brought upon our club and his abrasive attitude will not be looked upon well by our owners, especially scrapping with one of his own players.
Didsbury Dave said:flb said:Thing is Dave it looks like our long term aim is to mirror the Barca model, if Pep comes expect a raft of other former / present Barca staff to follow.This whole "project" is about becoming self sufficient with an academy producing the next Iniestas, Xavi's, Busquets.Mourinho has carved a career as a cheque book manager, or taking over an existing club with a very good squad (Inter,Madrid) and using his much fabled man management skills to take them to the next step.Our next step is to become like Barcelona so i dont see what longterm stratedgy Mourinho would bring to City.
Its got Pep writ all over it to become the next City manager, its an opportunity City surely cant let them pass them by.
I do know all that, mate, and I'd certainly put my money on Pep over Jose. It's hope for me rather than expectancy. The thing for me, though, is that the thing this club need right now, over the next two or three years, is to become a competitor to Read Madrid, Barca etc on a European level, and to dominate in England. then the longer term aims will become much easier to attain. We need to boost revenue hugely in the short term too.
I think Jose would give the club that turbocharged boost to the next level in the short term.