Birmingham bankrupt

In 2007, before the global financial crash, the UK's GDP per capita was $300 less than the Netherlands (yes, not Scandinavia, but still great public services by all accounts) and basically the same as Germany. In 2009, after the financial crash, we'd slipped to over $4k behind the Netherlands but were actually $1200 ahead of Germany. We're now over $10k less than Germany and $17k less than the Netherlands. It's an astonishing fall from grace. We're now less than half that of Ireland.
You are correct the Netherlands is not Scandanavia. Ireland is a tax haven and an example of how we should have left the EU. Lower corporation tax attract companies and investment. Instead this stupid corrupt government has done the opposite and resulted in less investment and a lower tax take. The last 15 years we have had some terrible decisons by uk government's.
 
You are correct the Netherlands is not Scandanavia. Ireland is a tax haven and an example of how we should have left the EU. Lower corporation tax attract companies and investment. Instead this stupid corrupt government has done the opposite and resulted in less investment and a lower tax take. The last 15 years we have had some terrible decisons by uk government's.

We would have been in an even worst state than we are now. Such a policy would have provoked a trade war with the EU and the kind of premiership that ended Liz Truss.
 
Isn’t the first and won’t be the last.

A decade or so of chronic underinvestment, bad decisions and electing morons means there is a shit load of chickens coming home to roost and the fuckers are landing at the same time.

We need to rethink our attitudes to public spending and taxation and be pragmatic about the economy, because what we are doing now ain’t working.

Oh, and blaming ‘waste’, pay awards, or bad management may make people feel better but it won’t do shit to fix things. The solution to bad management is employing better managers and administrators and more of them. Our preferred solution is to resent employing them and god forbid we actually pay them.

People don’t want to hear this, but we underinvest and under-manage. It’s like when you consistently do things on the cheap. You end up with shit and it costs more in the long run.
 
We would have been in an even worst state than we are now. Such a policy would have provoked a trade war with the EU and the kind of premiership that ended Liz Truss.
I dissagree. Its working for Ireland. What's wrong with making and encouraging companies to pay tax in the country they earn it. So many UK companies have HQs in Ireland and Luxembourg. Its plainly wrong. You presumably think this is a good idea. Why?
 
You are correct the Netherlands is not Scandanavia. Ireland is a tax haven and an example of how we should have left the EU. Lower corporation tax attract companies and investment. Instead this stupid corrupt government has done the opposite and resulted in less investment and a lower tax take. The last 15 years we have had some terrible decisons by uk government's.
Per Capita numbers are difficult to compare. Our population has fucking boomed towards 70m. Legal immigration was around 1m last year. The country needs to be highly productive to maintain high per capita GDP and it simply isn't. We have an aging population too with doesn't help matters.
 
You are correct the Netherlands is not Scandanavia. Ireland is a tax haven and an example of how we should have left the EU. Lower corporation tax attract companies and investment. Instead this stupid corrupt government has done the opposite and resulted in less investment and a lower tax take. The last 15 years we have had some terrible decisons by uk government's.
The problem with the UK trying to be a tax haven is that it doesn't work if the companies based there then have regulatory barriers put in place by not being in the EU that Ireland can bypass. Being a tax haven doesn't really work for a country of 67 million people.
 
I blame cuts to meals on wheels and care in the community.

If I told you i passionately believe in world class public services and that we should be funding them, I doubt you would believe me blue but it’s true.
 
If I told you i passionately believe in world class public services and that we should be funding them, I doubt you would believe me blue but it’s true.

You may believe in them, but my sense is that you are culturally hostile to pragmatic solutions that could improve things.

Equally, I don’t know you and this is just my opinion based on your posts which may not be a true reflection.
 
The problem with the UK trying to be a tax haven is that it doesn't work if the companies based there then have regulatory barriers put in place by not being in the EU that Ireland can bypass. Being a tax haven doesn't really work for a country of 67 million people.
Don't need to be a tax haven just need to have a tax edge. I dissagree on that point aswell, we can certainly ensure our own companies pay tax in the UK. But as usual the UK government does nothing proactive. They are utterly useless imo.
 

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