Birmingham bankrupt

Ducado said:
To think what could be done to the Public Estate with that injection of money.
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Like what?

Those figures are based over the lifetime of the replacement (50 years), and include wages and associated costs of everyone involved.

Get rid of Trident replacement and you'll effectively consign thousands of highly skilled jobs and condemn places like Barrow to the dustbin.
What you gonna replace those decently paid jobs (and tax take) with. A few new sure-starts and a load of tik-tok start up grants ain't gonna cut it.

Just for comparison, back in the dark days when the Bae shipyard site was hanging on by a thread, it had approx 2500 people on site. That figure is over 11000 now and rising. That Bae site alone took on over 700 young people last year (including apprentices & graduate training). The Barrow area used to be considered one of the most deprived areas in the UK, whereas now the average wage is £2000 over the national average.

Add in the astute replacement program (which is only viable on the back of Trident replacement program) and that Bae site has an full order book into the 2050's. And this is only part of what social aspect benefits the Trident replacement brings.
 
Ghandi's Flip Flops said:
Like what?

Those figures are based over the lifetime of the replacement (50 years), and include wages and associated costs of everyone involved.

Get rid of Trident replacement and you'll effectively consign thousands of highly skilled jobs and condemn places like Barrow to the dustbin.
What you gonna replace those decently paid jobs (and tax take) with. A few new sure-starts and a load of tik-tok start up grants ain't gonna cut it.

Just for comparison, back in the dark days when the Bae shipyard site was hanging on by a thread, it had approx 2500 people on site. That figure is over 11000 now and rising. That Bae site alone took on over 700 young people last year (including apprentices & graduate training). The Barrow area used to be considered one of the most deprived areas in the UK, whereas now the average wage is £2000 over the national average.

Add in the astute replacement program (which is only viable on the back of Trident replacement program) and that Bae site has a full order book into the 2050's. And this is only part of what social aspect benefits the Trident replacement brings.
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Get them creating cutting edge tidal power technology and other skilled jobs that can be of benefit to our population and able to sell/franchise around the world.
 
Rascal said:
Is it really any wonder that councils are in financial trouble. If you need £1 to cover essential statutory services but only receive 80p to do it you go into debt.

Cameron and Osborne's ridiculous austerity plan has ruined this country. The notion you run the country like you run a household was ridiculous, the maxed out credit card stuff was nonsense. The austerity plan was an ideologically driven move to cut what the % of GDP that the nation spent on public services to similar levels of the USA. It was neo-liberalism on speed, it has destroyed the fabric of the nation, public services are awful, the NHS is in crisis, the transport system is a mess, crime figures are rising, the country is fucked and inequality has risen expotentially.

Birmingham has issues, its one of our great cities, but it suffered under the mass de-industrialisation policies of the Thatcher regime and continual cuts in funding from central government were always going to end one way. because if you need £1 cover essential statutory services but only receive 80p you end up in debt and bankruptcy.

Meanwhile just now in PMQs Sunak talks as though everything is wonderful.
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Knowing what we know then, why do people keep voting the Tories back in?
This country is crying out for a people friendly government.
Why do the turkeys keep voting for Christmas?
 
Rascal said:
Is it really any wonder that councils are in financial trouble. If you need £1 to cover essential statutory services but only receive 80p to do it you go into debt.

Cameron and Osborne's ridiculous austerity plan has ruined this country. The notion you run the country like you run a household was ridiculous, the maxed out credit card stuff was nonsense. The austerity plan was an ideologically driven move to cut what the % of GDP that the nation spent on public services to similar levels of the USA. It was neo-liberalism on speed, it has destroyed the fabric of the nation, public services are awful, the NHS is in crisis, the transport system is a mess, crime figures are rising, the country is fucked and inequality has risen expotentially.

Birmingham has issues, its one of our great cities, but it suffered under the mass de-industrialisation policies of the Thatcher regime and continual cuts in funding from central government were always going to end one way. because if you need £1 cover essential statutory services but only receive 80p you end up in debt and bankruptcy.

Meanwhile just now in PMQs Sunak talks as though everything is wonderful.
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When ya Mrs got a few billion in the bank..everything is fucking wonderful the **** wants to spend a day in harpurhey
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
Get them creating cutting edge tidal power technology and other skilled jobs that can be of benefit to our population and able to sell/franchise around the world.
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Seriously. That would be like asking Michelin star chefs to go work in Mcdonalds, plus only cover less than 5% of the displaced workforce.

Today's subs are more technical and complicated than the space shuttle.
 
Ghandi's Flip Flops said:
Seriously. That would be like asking Michelin star chefs to go work in Mcdonalds, plus only cover less than 5% of the displaced workforce.

Today's subs are more technical and complicated than the space shuttle.
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Maybe I’ve sent the bar too low then. Get them to be able to safely harvest energy from nuclear fusion.

Todays subs might be more technical and complicated than the space shuttle. They certainly are as important as one.

Might as well put their skills into something worthwhile.
 
goalmole said:
Knowing what we know then, why do people keep voting the Tories back in?
This country is crying out for a people friendly government.
Why do the turkeys keep voting for Christmas?
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I'm voting Labour AGAIN next time, but I can't see a decent human being amongst them.

All I am hoping for is that they are slightly worse grifters.
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
Maybe I’ve sent the bar too low then. Get them to be able to safely harvest energy from nuclear fusion.

Todays subs might be more technical and complicated than the space shuttle. They certainly are as important as one.

Might as well put their skills into something worthwhile.
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How long would that take? 10, 20 years?
What would you do with all the lost jobs and tax take in the meantime?
 
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