Bloody Sunday: Soldier F faces murder charges

[kinkyblue]

The desire for people to defend the actions of people, proven by a 12 year inquiry really shocks me.

A multimillion pound inquiry has shown their actions to be entirely unlawful.

Accept the consequences

More holes in it than Shalkes defence

 

[creditunionhero]

Those letters were disgusting and wrong and the idea of the british government....they were not part of the GFA.

They were not the idea of the British government, it was a pre- condition imposed on them to enable talks to take place.

 

[The blue phantom]

For what it's worth mate, you're spot on there but I think you'll find this thread very frustrating. You sound like you have more authority to speak on it than most here. The truth as far as it's possible to know came out with the Saville Report. People should read that, or a summary of it. The whataboutery has all been done and the conclusions are all there.

Good post mate.

 

[TonyM]

Off topic a bit but...I would not be here if Catholics weren’t discriminated against.

My grandfather, originally from Cork, after he left the Royal Navy became a foreman in the Derry docks.

Because he was Catholic it became unsafe for him and his young family so he moved home. Years later my mom married a Corkman and I was born.

Imagine the same as a result bigger bigger conflicts like WWII or today’s conflicts. All horrors you’d wish didn’t happen but life still shifts around them.

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

By 'real' I guess you mean there weren't incidents of the same magnitude. A life is a life though, and I'm sure you're not naive enough to cover up the fact that the IRA, in its original or provisional form, were carrying out atrocities and guerrilla warfare tactics since 1922; some 50 years before Bloody Sunday.

You’re going down a precarious road if you want to get into the history of the setting up of Northern Ireland.
The Catholic community were left on their tod and it went totally against the grain with Michael Collins who basically had a civil war to fight because Churchill threatened to send the British forces back if he didn’t do something about the Four Courts being occupied by the IRA in Dublin.

Whole communities up north were burned out and nothing done about by the Crown. The IRA was active alright in the 1920’s but to try making out that that the atrocities were originating from them is incorrect or naive, or both. Ulster Unionists were armed to the teeth and basically ethnically cleansing areas of Belfast.
The same thing happened in the border counties and there was mass migrations of communities.
Yes there were terrible atrocities inflicted on Protestant communities too. The Crown just stood by for 50 years and considered it an Irish problem and let the Ulster Unionist do what they wanted.
The Border Commission that was promised never happened.

Ignoring what was going on up North was always going to come back and bite the UK on the arse.

Anyway this discussion deserves a proper dignified discussion and as I said in my other post. Personally I’d prefer to look forward, not much to be gained by looking back.
But don’t blanch over it and don’t be selective and don’t refer to history if you don’t actually know the detail and context.

Ask yourself this.
How would you feel if Thatcher sent troops to the miners strikers’ pickets and fired rubber bullets into the crowd because they were an angry mob.

It wouldn’t happen in England.
It was bad enough the police baton charging them.

 

[BLS]

A peaceful civil rights march where both sides had guns and used them doesn't seem very peaceful to me.

Fuck me what complete and utter Bollocks

 

[BLS]

You’re going down a precarious road if you want to get into the history of the setting up of Northern Ireland.
The Catholic community were left on their tod and it went totally against the grain with Michael Collins who basically had a civil war to fight because Churchill threatened to send the British forces back if he didn’t do something about the Four Courts being occupied by the IRA in Dublin.

Whole communities up north were burned out and nothing done about by the Crown. The IRA was active alright in the 1920’s but to try making out that that the atrocities were originating from them is incorrect or naive, or both. Ulster Unionists were armed to the teeth and basically ethnically cleansing areas of Belfast.
The same thing happened in the border counties and there was mass migrations of communities.
Yes there were terrible atrocities inflicted on Protestant communities too. The Crown just stood by for 50 years and considered it an Irish problem and let the Ulster Unionist do what they wanted.
The Border Commission that was promised never happened.

Ignoring what was going on up North was always going to come back and bite the UK on the arse.

Anyway this discussion deserves a proper dignified discussion and as I said in my other post. Personally I’d prefer to look forward, not much to be gained by looking back.
But don’t blanch over it and don’t be selective and don’t refer to history if you don’t actually know the detail and context.

Ask yourself this.
How would you feel if Thatcher sent troops to the miners strikers’ pickets and fired rubber bullets into the crowd because they were an angry mob.

It wouldn’t happen in England.
It was bad enough the police baton charging them.

Stand out post from the whole thread,well put

 

[BLS]

Well, that's news to me that Irish Republicanism terrorism only started in 1972.

Check out the UVF who were killing Catholics in the 60's before the PIRA was even thought of never mind existed

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Not comfortable with this. There was hate on all sides. Time to move on.

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

Not comfortable with this. There was hate on all sides. Time to move on.

Agreed.