Bloody Sunday: Soldier F faces murder charges

M18CTID said: ↑
I get that bit about those who were already in prison but I’m talking about all the incidents pre-GFA that had never led to any arrests and prosecution. Unless I’m very much mistaken, I can’t think of any of those being pursued since the GFA was signed.
AlexWilliamsGloves said:
Genuinely dont know.
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I honestly don’t know either, but there would be plenty of people on the Nationalist side who would like closure too cocerning the IRA. They have never revealed the burial sites of the countless disappeared from their own communities.
The whole thing will take generations.
The GFA was such a step forward though. It could all go very wrong up there again very easily if old entrenched positions are allowed stymie progress.
Families of victims will take the injustices to the grave with them. But the community as a whole deserves total support towards making things work from their own politicians, from the UK government, from the UK people as a whole as well as the Irish people and Government.

Asking them to forgive and forget might be a bit much, but helping them accept and move on requires work from the rest of us too.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
Totally agree. We’ve all got some good reason to be angry at the ‘other side’, even if only second hand. The Troubles touched so many lives, especially in terms of the nation's consciousness. Always used to seriously shit myself as a kid going into Manchester city centre with my mum in case an IRA bomb went off. Not trying to compare that to losing a child, but everyone was affected - and there was fault on all sides. In those circumstances, I feel people have to put their grief to one side, if they can.

Otherwise, it festers and turns toxic.
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I know people that haven’t got past the uprising’s from the 1500’s no idea what the answer is but it’s genuinely saddening.
 
M18CTID said:
I get that bit about those who were already in prison but I’m talking about all the incidents pre-GFA that had never led to any arrests and prosecution. Unless I’m very much mistaken, I can’t think of any of those being pursued since the GFA was signed.
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There was no amnesty for crimes that hadn't been prosecuted, only an early release program for those serving sentences related to paramilitary activity, provided the ceasefire was kept.
In effect they're all out on licence and can be rejailed if their groups break the ceasefire.
 
If there is a right answer to all of this I haven’t a clue what it is. My old man was in the Army so as a kid raised on Army estates near Army bases you know about NI from an Army viewpoint along with bomb drills and bomb scares and the Army is kind of like family I grew up with. The old man’s view on it was that you don’t put Paras in to do that job. He blamed the decision to use them and the officers in charge and yeah I get that. But you don’t shoot 13 unarmed civilians dead either and these were British citizens on British soil. No matter which direction you come at this it’s still 13 dead British citizens shot by British troops on British soil.

And that really is it I guess. You just don’t do that.
 
lancs blue said:
The people who were killed were unarmed civilians, I don't think anyone has ever seriously questioned that. You think the soldiers were right to fire into a crowd like that?
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McGuiness apparently fired a shot.
So how can he be considered an unarmed civilian?
 
We are in danger of rerunning the inquiry here.

Its been done.

The question is why nearly 50 years later are we seeking to prosecute a single soldier whilst a blind eye is turned on many other atrocities during the troubles in the name of the GFA?
 
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