Bobby

[zeven]

I assume you mean best manager at THIS club ....

well that will be judged purely on his trophy haul ....

Joe Mercer didn't have the kind of money that Mancini has at his disposal , but he still won trophies both at home , and in Europe , and he must edge the decision for now ...

Football were quite different back than to. Today Money dont give you an advantage it is the foundation to be able to compete. So use money as an excuse for Mancini is unfair.

 

[ell]

Must be a lot of ITKs on here, no idea how you know if Mancini is a good man manager or not

 

[baildon blue]

Joe Mercer is still better than Mancini for me.Given time Mancini might be better needs to improve in europe.Remember Mercer won the Cup Winners Cup in are 2nd season in europe

 

[GetUpKid]

Today Money dont give you an advantage it is the foundation to be able to compete.

Can't agree with that. Money at the level we have spent is more than a foundation, it's an enormous advantage. It would be churlish to say otherwise. That's not to say that anyone could've achieved what Mancini has since he became manager. But within the context of our spending, his achievements are within the parameters of the objectives set by our owners. For me he hasn't overachieved.

 

[Big Swifty]

Perhaps the statistics will settle arguments, confirm what we already know or throw up the odd surprise.

I have studied the results achieved by City managers since World War Two, and compared their success in terms of wins as a percentage of games in charge (competitive games only). We can see that Roberto comes out very well, but is not quite the most successful as measured by that criterion. This is how it pans out, in descending order of success:

NAME TENURE WINS/MATCHES %WINS

Sam Cowan 46-47 20/30 66.67
Roberto Mancini 09-now 90/152 59.21
Johnny Hart Mar-Oct 73 11/22 50.00
Mark Hughes 08-09 36/77 46.75
Mel Machin 87-89 59/130 45.38
Wilf Wild 32-46 158/352 44.89
(plus 5/16 Aug-Nov 47)
Joe Mercer 65-71 149/340 43.82
Kevin Keegan 01-05 77/176 43.75
Peter Reid 90-93 59/136 43.38
Joe Royle 98-01 74/171 43.27
George Poyser 63-65 38/89 42.70
Tony Book 74-79 114/269 42.38
Sven-Goran Eriksson 07-08 19/45 42.22
John Bond 80-83 51/123 41.46
Malcolm Allison (1st) 71-73 32/78 41.03
Billy McNeill 83-86 63/156 40.38
Asa Hartford Aug-Oct 96 3/8 37.50
Les McDowall 50-63 220/592 37.16
Stuart Pearce 05-07 34/96 35.42
Ron Saunders 73-74 10/29 34.48
Howard Kendall 89-90 13/38 34.21
Frank Clark 96-98 20/59 33.90
Steve Coppell Oct-Nov 96 2/6 33.33
Jock Thomson 47-50 35/115 30.43
Brian Horton 93-95 29/96 30.21
Alan Ball 95-96 13/49 26.53
Malcolm Allison (2) 79/80 15/60 25.00
Jimmy Frizzell 86-87 10/42 23.81
Phil Neal Nov-Dec 96 2/10 20.00
John Benson Feb-June 83 3/17 17.65

Of course the resources available to each manager have a huge influence on success. But we knew Ball and Allison (secon time) were disasters. Few would have named Sam Cowan as top, or Johnny Hart so high. Highes comes high up,but he had the dosh. (I don't think I've missed anybody.)

Any thoughts on the above findings?

 

[Any1aBlue]

Best manager in your life time? I'm younger than some

Laughable.

 

[Big Swifty]

PS "Hughes", not "Highes". And I dunno why the spacing I put in squashes the figures up into a confusing line of stats. Anyhow, you get the drift.

 

[Any1aBlue]

Joe Mercer is still better than Mancini for me.Given time Mancini might be better needs to improve in europe.Remember Mercer won the Cup Winners Cup in are 2nd season in europe

Oh for goodness sake - lets get a grip here. Its not even worthy of discussion...................of course he was better.

 

[GeekinGav]

Steve Coppell .... Leg end.

 

[thedogsbollocks]

Steve Coppell .... Leg end.

He would enjoy that :-)